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Subject: Re: Old school talk and test position (January 09, 1998 )

Author: Miguel A. Ballicora

Date: 15:47:21 07/24/02

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On July 24, 2002 at 17:56:04, Nolan Denson wrote:

>Ok i was trying to read up on extension and ran across this conversation. So
>what I am wondering how much have we improved with todays programs and faster
>computers ... ( This post will be the first time that i see this position) it
>may be a test problem now.
>
>>Posted by Howard Exner on January 09, 1998 at 21:03:51:
>
>[D]r3rk2/ppq2pbQ/2p1b1p1/4p1B1/2P3P1/3P1B2/P3PPK1/1R5R w - - id"Seiriwan -
>>>Sokolov,A" bm Qxg7+;
>
>>I am always interested in the problems that program X finds quickly
>>while program Y struggles. It makes me curious as to what makes them
>>tick. Rebel 8 for example finds WAC 141 rather quickly but has a very
>>hard time finding this above mate in 7. I think it is the quiet move,
>>Bf6 that is the stumbling block for Rebel.
>
>I checked with Rebel9. Rebel9 needs 22:00 and 11 plies.
>
>The "killer" here is not 3.Bf6 but 6.Rh1
>
>The main variation found:
>
>1.Qxg7 Kxg7 2.Rh7+ Kxh7 3.Bf6 g5 4.Be4+ Bf5 5.Bxf5+ Kg8 6.Rh1 and
>mate on the next move.
>
>I am currently working on a better tactical version. It finds 1.Qxg7
>in 3:28 on ply 9 but the version in question is 25-30% slower in normal
>positional play.
>
>As always the big question remains if "improved" tactics will result
>in an overall improvement.
>
>For the moment I have baptized this version as Rebel Turtle and I hope
>auto232 will tell me more.
>
>I receive a lot of input from customers. Sometimes they tell you
>something you will not forget your whole life. One of them once said:
>
>"You guys release new versions and every new version only does
>better on points where it was already good"
>
>While I believe this is not the entire truth the man has a point :))

Gaviota 0.32 finds it in one minute in a pIII 800mhz.

Miguel

setboard r3rk2/ppq2pbQ/2p1b1p1/4p1B1/2P3P1/3P1B2/P3PPK1/1R5R w - -
d
+-----------------+
| r . . . r k . . |
| p p q . . p b Q |
| . . p . b . p . |
| . . . . p . B . |
| . . P . . . P . |
| . . . P . B . . |
| P . . . P P K . |
| . R . . . . . R |
+-----------------+

analyze

    188924   7       1.5    +0.91  Bg5-h6   Bg7xh6   Qh7xh6   Kf8-e7
                                   Kg2-g1   Ke7-d8   Qh6-h4   Kd8-c8
                                   Bf3-g2
    670321   7:      5.8    +0.91  Bg5-h6   Bg7xh6   Qh7xh6   Kf8-e7
                                   Kg2-g1   Ke7-d8   Qh6-h4   Kd8-c8
                                   Bf3-g2
    751759   8       6.6    +1.10  Bg5-h6   Bg7xh6   Qh7xh6   Kf8-e7
                                   Kg2-g1   Ke7-d8   Qh6-c1   Kd8-c8
                                   Rh1-h7
   1211242   8      11.2    +1.25  Bg5-e3   f7-f6    Qh7xg6   b7-b6
                                   Kg2-g1   Re8-e7   Qg6-h7   Ra8-d8
   1789079   8:     16.7    +1.25  Bg5-e3   f7-f6    Qh7xg6   b7-b6
                                   Kg2-g1   Re8-e7   Qg6-h7   Ra8-d8
   4285857   9      41.9      :-(  Bg5-e3
   6110031   9      55.9      :-)  Qh7-h8
   6158907   9      56.3      :-)  Qh7-h8
   6223385   9      56.9      :-)  Qh7-h8
   6248990   9      57.1      :-)  Qh7-h8
   6508846   9      59.6   +Mat_8  Qh7-h8   Bg7xh8   Rh1xh8   Kf8-g7
                                   Rh8-h7   Kg7xh7   Bg5-f6   Be6xg4
                                   Bf3xg4   g6-g5    Bg4-f5   Kh7-g8
                                   Rb1-h1   Re8-e7   Rh1-h8
   6624683   9      60.7   +Mat_7  Qh7xg7   Kf8xg7   Rh1-h7   Kg7xh7
                                   <-transp
   7189207   9:     66.6   +Mat_7  Qh7xg7   Kf8xg7   Rh1-h7   Kg7xh7
                                   <-transp
   7850798  10      72.9   +Mat_7  Qh7xg7   Kf8xg7   Rh1-h7   Kg7xh7
                                   Bg5-f6   Be6xg4   Bf3xg4   g6-g5
                                   Bg4-f5   Kh7-g8   Rb1-h1   Re8-e7
                                   Rh1-h8
  14819804  10:    138.9   +Mat_7  Qh7xg7   Kf8xg7   Rh1-h7   Kg7xh7
                                   Bg5-f6   Be6xg4   Bf3xg4   g6-g5
                                   Bg4-f5   Kh7-g8   Rb1-h1   Re8-e7
                                   Rh1-h8
  17647162  11     165.7   +Mat_7  Qh7xg7   Kf8xg7   Rh1-h7   Kg7xh7
                                   Bg5-f6   Be6xg4   Bf3xg4   g6-g5
                                   Bg4-f5   Kh7-g8   Rb1-h1   Re8-e7
                                   Rh1-h8




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