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Subject: Re: Old school talk and test position (January 09, 1998 )

Author: John Merlino

Date: 08:59:52 07/25/02

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On July 24, 2002 at 17:56:04, Nolan Denson wrote:

>Ok i was trying to read up on extension and ran across this conversation. So
>what I am wondering how much have we improved with todays programs and faster
>computers ... ( This post will be the first time that i see this position) it
>may be a test problem now.
>
>>Posted by Howard Exner on January 09, 1998 at 21:03:51:
>
>[D]r3rk2/ppq2pbQ/2p1b1p1/4p1B1/2P3P1/3P1B2/P3PPK1/1R5R w - - id"Seiriwan -
>>>Sokolov,A" bm Qxg7+;
>
>>I am always interested in the problems that program X finds quickly
>>while program Y struggles. It makes me curious as to what makes them
>>tick. Rebel 8 for example finds WAC 141 rather quickly but has a very
>>hard time finding this above mate in 7. I think it is the quiet move,
>>Bf6 that is the stumbling block for Rebel.
>
>I checked with Rebel9. Rebel9 needs 22:00 and 11 plies.
>
>The "killer" here is not 3.Bf6 but 6.Rh1
>
>The main variation found:
>
>1.Qxg7 Kxg7 2.Rh7+ Kxh7 3.Bf6 g5 4.Be4+ Bf5 5.Bxf5+ Kg8 6.Rh1 and
>mate on the next move.
>
>I am currently working on a better tactical version. It finds 1.Qxg7
>in 3:28 on ply 9 but the version in question is 25-30% slower in normal
>positional play.
>
>As always the big question remains if "improved" tactics will result
>in an overall improvement.
>
>For the moment I have baptized this version as Rebel Turtle and I hope
>auto232 will tell me more.
>
>I receive a lot of input from customers. Sometimes they tell you
>something you will not forget your whole life. One of them once said:
>
>"You guys release new versions and every new version only does
>better on points where it was already good"
>
>While I believe this is not the entire truth the man has a point :))

Chessmaster 9000 says Mate in 7 in 2 seconds on a PIII-733:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	0.66	2942		1.Bh6 Bxh6 2.Qxh6+ Ke7 3.Qg5+ Kd7
0:00	1/4	0.77	9436		1.Bh6 Bxh6 2.Qxh6+ Ke7 3.Qg5+ Kf8
					4.Rh8+ Kg7 5.Qh6+ Kf6
0:00	1/5	0.76	33149		1.Bh6 Bxh6 2.Qxh6+ Ke7 3.Qg5+ Kd7
					4.e3
0:00	1/6	0.78	51968		1.Bh6 Bxh6 2.Qxh6+ Ke7 3.Qg5+ Kd7
					4.Rh7 Kc8 5.e3
0:01	1/7	0.64	118731		1.Bh6 Bxh6 2.Qxh6+ Ke7 3.Qd2 b6
					4.Qg5+ Kd7 5.Rh7 Kc8
0:02	1/7	Mate08	156536		1.Qh8+ Bxh8 2.Rxh8+ Kg7 3.Rh7+
					Kxh7 4.Bf6 Bxg4 5.Bxg4 g5 6.Bf5+
					Kg8 7.Rh1 e4 8.Rh8#
0:02	1/7	Mate07	168411		1.Qxg7+ Kxg7 2.Rh7+ Kxh7 3.Bf6
					Bxg4 4.Bxg4 g5 5.Bf5+ Kg8 6.Rh1
					e4 7.Rh8#
0:02	1/8	Mate07	216345		1.Qxg7+ Kxg7 2.Rh7+ Kxh7 3.Bf6
					Bxg4 4.Bxg4 g5 5.Bf5+ Kg8 6.Rh1
					e4 7.Rh8#
0:03	1/9	Mate07	364005		1.Qxg7+ Kxg7 2.Rh7+ Kxh7 3.Bf6
					Bxg4 4.Bxg4 g5 5.Bf5+ Kg8 6.Rh1
					e4 7.Rh8#

jm



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