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Subject: Re: Old school talk and test position (January 09, 1998 )

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 09:54:38 07/25/02

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On July 24, 2002 at 18:47:21, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:

>On July 24, 2002 at 17:56:04, Nolan Denson wrote:
>
>>Ok i was trying to read up on extension and ran across this conversation. So
>>what I am wondering how much have we improved with todays programs and faster
>>computers ... ( This post will be the first time that i see this position) it
>>may be a test problem now.
>>
>>>Posted by Howard Exner on January 09, 1998 at 21:03:51:
>>
>>[D]r3rk2/ppq2pbQ/2p1b1p1/4p1B1/2P3P1/3P1B2/P3PPK1/1R5R w - - id"Seiriwan -
>>>>Sokolov,A" bm Qxg7+;
>>
>>>I am always interested in the problems that program X finds quickly
>>>while program Y struggles. It makes me curious as to what makes them
>>>tick. Rebel 8 for example finds WAC 141 rather quickly but has a very
>>>hard time finding this above mate in 7. I think it is the quiet move,
>>>Bf6 that is the stumbling block for Rebel.
>>
>>I checked with Rebel9. Rebel9 needs 22:00 and 11 plies.
>>
>>The "killer" here is not 3.Bf6 but 6.Rh1
>>
>>The main variation found:
>>
>>1.Qxg7 Kxg7 2.Rh7+ Kxh7 3.Bf6 g5 4.Be4+ Bf5 5.Bxf5+ Kg8 6.Rh1 and
>>mate on the next move.
>>
>>I am currently working on a better tactical version. It finds 1.Qxg7
>>in 3:28 on ply 9 but the version in question is 25-30% slower in normal
>>positional play.
>>
>>As always the big question remains if "improved" tactics will result
>>in an overall improvement.
>>
>>For the moment I have baptized this version as Rebel Turtle and I hope
>>auto232 will tell me more.
>>
>>I receive a lot of input from customers. Sometimes they tell you
>>something you will not forget your whole life. One of them once said:
>>
>>"You guys release new versions and every new version only does
>>better on points where it was already good"
>>
>>While I believe this is not the entire truth the man has a point :))
>
>Gaviota 0.32 finds it in one minute in a pIII 800mhz.
>
>Miguel

Movei needs depth 11 to see it with pruning
based on evaluation and depth 9 to see it without
pruning based on evaluation.

In both cases it is slower than gaviota and needs
some minutes.

I need to improve my pruning in order
to solve that problem at depth 9 with pruning
based on evaluation.

Uri



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