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Subject: Re: Two of the Deep Blue moves protested by GM Kasparov

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:11:09 07/25/02

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On July 24, 2002 at 13:19:54, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On July 24, 2002 at 12:13:11, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>
>>After 14h40, not many changes :
>>Nouvelle partie
>>r1r1q1k1/6p1/p2b1p1p/1p1PpP2/PPp5/2P4P/R1B2QP1/R5K1 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Hiarcs 8:
>>
>>1. +- (1.65): 1.Db6 De7 2.axb5 Tab8 3.Dxa6 e4 4.Fxe4 De5 5.Ff3 De3+ 6.Rf1 Dd3+
>>7.Rf2 Fe5 8.De6+ Rh7 9.Df7 Dxf5 10.g4 Dg5 11.Fe4+ Rh8
>>2. ± (0.96): 1.axb5 axb5 2.Db6 Txa2 3.Txa2 Fc7 4.De6+ Rf8 5.Rf1 e4 6.Fxe4 Fe5
>>7.Ta3 Ta8 8.Dxe8+ Txe8 9.Ff3 Fg3 10.Ta1 Te3
>
>Thanks Vincent. Don't take me wrong when I say that your results speak a clear
>language. Of course we don't know what the program would play after
>1099000456*12 hours! Perhaps then the two evals will get slowly _narrower_ and
>_narrower_ together as the widely accepted theory of traditional CC declared,
>but perhaps in 100 years we all will be too old to be capable to read what is on
>the display. BTW is HIARCS 8 an especially "stupid" program compared with
>CRAFTY18.15 or FRITZ 7? Or also this, is it perhaps not enough tweaked for this
>traumatic position for Kasparov? Did you use enough Hash? Was the position a
>priori implemented in the learning files? If not, please try to fussle a bit, so
>that your HIARCS finally gets in the neighbourhood of the top programs, speaking
>of DB2, CRAFTY10-18.15, FRITZ2-7! Sorry, DB2 is no longer available, but we have
>enough class with CRAFTY and FRITZ. Next year the two will take part in the
>Paris-Dakkar rally. This will be certainly a new world record so far. So, till
>then and a la prochaine fois.
>
>:)
>
>Rolf Tueschen


That's just another idiotic comment from someone that does not _want_ to
understand the point the _rest_ of us are discussing.  Nobody has _ever_
said either Crafty or Fritz is perfect.  In this position or any other.

That is not the point.  And I am not going to specify the point again
since it is pointless to do so...



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