Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 16:38:20 07/27/02
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On July 26, 2002 at 23:14:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On July 26, 2002 at 15:08:26, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>Detlev Pordzik again. After the first complaint the moderators did not even >>answer me. So this is the consequence. Pordzik thinks that he had the right to >>violate the charta of CCC which says that personal attacks are forbidden. >> >>Rolf Tueschen > > >There have been _zero_ complaints. At least _I_ have received no complaints. >I assume the other two moderators have not either since we _all_ get the >complaints sent to us individually. Bob, if you insist, I can well publish the two texts CCC sent me in reaction to the emails I sent to you (the moderators). Because when you send such a message there is automatic message with text and the details of the time and so on. I quoted the numbers of the particular messages from "Pordzik" and simply pointed out why his messages were abusive in the light of the charta of CCC. Take e.g. the second complaint. There he states in his message that he couldn't find any ranking place for me whatsoever. He then concludes that therefore my contributions here are (I sum up his view) worthless. This is only a very short summary. But - since I do not teach chess theory here, there is absolutely no sense in such a message. The only reason for such a message is the personal attack and so the abuse of the charta here that forbids personal attacks. Everybody might have personal opinions about anyone but the intensiously directed personal attack is by definition insultive and forbidden here. I want to claim for me the right that also in my case the charta of CCC should be respected. If the mentioned author would have brought forward any reasonable arguments why I was wrong in a message I would surely have responded him. Let me shortly lead your attention on his first insultive message. There he wrote expressis verbis the following that this chap or whatever, from the _context_ it's absolutely clear that he meant me, that I were a (quote) "steered underground assassinate" in some German newsgroups etc. pp. This is absolute fantasy. Therefore and also because this has nothing to do with computerchess and surely not this forum, it is abusive and character assassination. Because the job of a mole or whatever is not directly what is estimated as honorable profession. But since it is absolutely false in my case, it is character assassination. And this here right in the middle of this forum, where personal attacks already are forbidden. Beyond many differences which we two might have, I think, we do both believe in th freedom of speech. But in the Pordzik case the mentioned author has _not_ taken part in the debates here where I was involved. Then suddenly he writes such insults. Alone from that angle it must be clear that he has a personal axe to grind. But, the hype is, that he doesn't want to discuss his insults, but he is proud to write against me that his sole intention is (suddenly! - because earlier this year he invited me repeatedly to write in his own forum and he telephoned with me in hour-long chats) to prevent that I could write my opinions. Beyond all our differences I see no reason at all that you should be interested in such intentions. Because, I might be "lame" in my thought process, I might be a bad English writer, but you wouldn't assume that my opinions had no content, when I based my opinions and more so questions on pure science and logic, in the SSDF or DB2 threads. The mentioned author however has repeatedly informed me that any form of critic is in his view unwanted and simply not clever. And also negative for mutual relationships. Of course such a view is reasonable in business. But here we do not have just business I think. Here we can discuss on the base of science and logic. I learned a lot from POPPER and other scientists of science. Progress is always a consequence of "conjectures" and "refutations". This has no personal nor abusive content whatsoever. Of course friendship is of highest value. But the negative side is when friendship is often misinterpreted as partizanship. I did never belong to a side or certain interests. I'm independant. And therefore such character assassinations are very evil. In truth I did never work for someone against someone else. POPPER described what happens with 'closed' systems of thought. Will you deny me here the right of protection against such unfounded, ugly, personal attacks in the Pordzik-style? "Steered underground assassinative"? Rolf Tueschen Here are the texts I got from CCC for my complaints I sent to moderators, I made unreadable certain parts because this was email: The following message has been sent to ccc@icdchess.com: From: rtueschen@t-online.de (Rolf Tueschen) Subject: CCC Moderator E-mail Reply-to: rtueschen@t-online.de (Rolf Tueschen) [ name: ] Rolf Tueschen [ email: ] rtueschen@t-online.de [ body: ] Hi, in the message 242 711 Detlev Pordzik again wrote completely off-topic only about me. This is called ad hominem. I beg you to do something against such personal attacks because they are forbidden after the charta of CCC. Thank you Rolf Tueschen [ user: ] xxxxxx --- This message was sent to you by xxxxxxxxxxxx on Fri Jul 26 19:04:42 2002 (GMT). The following message has been sent to ccc@icdchess.com: From: rtueschen@t-online.de (Rolf Tueschen) Subject: CCC Moderator E-mail Reply-to: rtueschen@t-online.de (Rolf Tueschen) [ name: ] Rolf Tueschen [ email: ] rtueschen@t-online.de [ body: ] Hi! The posting 242364 from Detlev Pordzik contains clearly put insults and character assassination. [xxxxxxx snipped two paragraphes for personal reasons since this was email!] I hereby ask you to delete the posting nr. 242364 and tell Detlef to stop the nonsense. If you should have any questions to me please contact me, I'm willing to solve the conflict. I hope that you won't let here in CCC poeple insulted. Thanks to anyone here who reads this as moderator. Rolf Tueschen [ user: ] xxxxx --- This message was sent to you by xxxxxxxx on Wed Jul 24 18:35:21 2002 (GMT).
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