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Subject: Re: Topalov,V (2745) - Bareev,E (2726) Nice Combination!

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 17:40:30 07/27/02

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On July 27, 2002 at 17:08:48, John Merlino wrote:

>On July 27, 2002 at 03:48:46, Andreas St. wrote:
>
>>On July 27, 2002 at 03:37:42, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On July 27, 2002 at 03:24:26, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/events/games/2002_dortmund/dort10b.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>(2) Topalov,V (2745) - Bareev,E (2726) [C11]
>>>>Sparkassen sf Playoff Dortmund GER (2), 17.07.2002
>>>>
>>>>.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Nbd7 6.Nf3 Be7 7.Nxf6+ Bxf6 8.h4 c5
>>>>9.Qd2 cxd4 10.Nxd4 h6 11.Bxf6 Nxf6 12.Qb4 Nd5 13.Qa3 Qe7 14.Bb5+ Bd7 15.Bxd7+
>>>>Kxd7 16.Qa4+ Kc7 17.Rh3 a6 18.Rb3 Qc5 19.0-0-0 b5 20.Qa5+ Qb6 21.Qe1 Kb7 22.Qe2
>>>>Ka7 23.Nxb5+ axb5 24.Rxb5 Qc6 25.Rdxd5 exd5 26.Qe7+ Ka6 27.Rb3 1-0
>>>>
>>>>After 22...Ka7
>>>>
>>>>[D]r6r/k4pp1/pq2p2p/1p1n4/3N3P/1R6/PPP1QPP1/2KR4 w
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How quickly does fast hardware and top software, find this combination?
>>>>
>>>>Terry
>>>
>>>Chessmaster 9000 (top software) on a PIII-600 (not fast hardware) finds the move
>>>in 40 seconds:
>>>
>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>0:00	1/3	0.74	3488		1.Qe5 Rhg8 2.Rg3
>>>0:00	1/4	0.94	9422		1.Qe5 Rhg8 2.Rf3 Raf8 3.Kb1
>>>0:00	1/5	0.82	27322		1.Qe5 Rhg8 2.Rf3 Raf8 3.Rg3
>>>0:02	1/6	1.04	106142		1.Qe5 g6 2.a4 Kb7 3.Kb1 b4 4.Rf3
>>>0:05	1/7	0.91	319292		1.Qe5 g6 2.a4 b4 3.a5 Qb7 4.Qd6
>>>					Rac8
>>>0:15	1/8	1.13	1095592		1.Qe5 Rhg8 2.a4 b4 3.a5 Qb7 4.Rg3
>>>					Rad8 5.Rxg7 Rxg7 6.Qxg7
>>>0:34	1/9	0.99	2547618		1.Qe5 Rhg8 2.Rf3 Qb7 3.Qd6 Rac8
>>>					4.Nxb5+ Qxb5 5.Rxf7+ Ka8 6.Qxe6
>>>0:40	1/9	1.71	3109576		1.Nxb5+ axb5 2.Rxb5 Qc6 3.Rdxd5
>>>					exd5 4.Qd3 Rhb8 5.Qa3+ Qa6 6.Ra5
>>>					Rb6 7.Qe7+ Rb7 8.Rxa6+ Kxa6
>>>0:59	1/10	3.10	4767354		1.Nxb5+ axb5 2.Rxb5 Qc6 3.Rdxd5
>>>					exd5 4.Qe7+ Ka6 5.Rb3 Qb6 6.Rxb6+
>>>					Kxb6 7.Qd6+ Ka7 8.Qc5+ Kb8 9.Qxd5
>>>2:00	2/11	3.67	10630854	1.Nxb5+ axb5 2.Rxb5 Qc6 3.Rdxd5
>>>					exd5 4.Qe7+ Ka6 5.Rb3 Qb6 6.Rxb6+
>>>					Kxb6 7.Qd6+ Ka7 8.Qxd5 Rhb8 9.Qxf7+
>>>					Rb7
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>my actual CM 8000 "Bleifuss" setting (32mb hash) needs 55 sec. on Athlon XP
>>2000+
>>
>>Analysis by CM Bleifuss:
>>
>>1.De5 Thg8 2.Kb1 Tad8
>>  ²  (0.57)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
>>1.De5 Thg8 2.Tf3 Db7 3.Dd6
>>  ±  (0.83)   Tiefe: 4   00:00:00
>>1.De5 Thg8 2.Tf3 Db7 3.Sf5 Tad8
>>  ²  (0.66)   Tiefe: 5   00:00:00
>>1.De5 g6 2.a4 b4 3.a5 Db7 4.Dd6
>>  ±  (1.05)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  109kN
>>1.De5 g6 2.a4 b4 3.a5 Db7 4.Dd6 Thc8
>>  ±  (0.82)   Tiefe: 7   00:00:01  248kN
>>1.De5 Thg8 2.a4 b4 3.a5 Db7 4.Tg3 Tad8 5.Txg7 Txg7 6.Dxg7
>>  ±  (1.10)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:07  1659kN
>>1.De5 g6 2.a4 b4 3.a5 Dc5 4.Txb4 Tac8 5.Ta4 Thd8
>>  ±  (1.08)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:15  3569kN
>>1.De5 Thg8 2.Tf3 Db7 3.Sf5 exf5 4.Txd5 Tae8 5.Dxf5 Te1+ 6.Td1 Txd1+ 7.Kxd1
>>  ±  (1.08)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:42  10189kN
>>1.Sxb5+ axb5 2.Txb5 Dc6 3.Tdxd5 exd5 4.De7+ Ka6 5.Tb3 Db6 6.Txb6+ Kxb6 7.Dd6+
>>Ka7 8.Dc5+ Kb8 9.Dxd5
>>  +-  (3.42)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:55  13612kN
>>
>>(Fritz 7,  27.07.2002)
>>
>>Greetings
>>
>>AS
>
>I don't like to stick my neck (and Johan's neck) out too far, but results like
>this make it look like the CM9000 engine is going to be noticeably superior to
>the CM8000 engine.
>
>jm

Not really, it's simply extending less. So the things it used to
be better in than some other engines, it no longer can do. the things
it is better in now, the other engines are even better in.

I won't mention the word 'losing by natural induction', but that's
what it is. No other words for it. Johan been too lazy last years.

Best regards,
Vincent



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