Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:14:37 07/27/02
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On July 27, 2002 at 19:38:20, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On July 26, 2002 at 23:14:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On July 26, 2002 at 15:08:26, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>Detlev Pordzik again. After the first complaint the moderators did not even >>>answer me. So this is the consequence. Pordzik thinks that he had the right to >>>violate the charta of CCC which says that personal attacks are forbidden. >>> >>>Rolf Tueschen >> >> >>There have been _zero_ complaints. At least _I_ have received no complaints. >>I assume the other two moderators have not either since we _all_ get the >>complaints sent to us individually. > >Bob, > >if you insist, I can well publish the two texts CCC sent me in reaction to the >emails I sent to you (the moderators). Because when you send such a message >there is automatic message with text and the details of the time and so on. > >I quoted the numbers of the particular messages from "Pordzik" and simply >pointed out why his messages were abusive in the light of the charta of CCC. > >Take e.g. the second complaint. There he states in his message that he couldn't >find any ranking place for me whatsoever. He then concludes that therefore my >contributions here are (I sum up his view) worthless. This is only a very short >summary. But - since I do not teach chess theory here, there is absolutely no >sense in such a message. The only reason for such a message is the personal >attack and so the abuse of the charta here that forbids personal attacks. Fell free to post them or email them to me. I did not receive them unless I was sedated without my knowledge... > >Everybody might have personal opinions about anyone but the intensiously >directed personal attack is by definition insultive and forbidden here. > >I want to claim for me the right that also in my case the charta of CCC should >be respected. > >If the mentioned author would have brought forward any reasonable arguments why >I was wrong in a message I would surely have responded him. > >Let me shortly lead your attention on his first insultive message. There he >wrote expressis verbis the following that this chap or whatever, from the >_context_ it's absolutely clear that he meant me, that I were a (quote) "steered >underground assassinate" in some German newsgroups etc. pp. This is absolute >fantasy. Therefore and also because this has nothing to do with computerchess >and surely not this forum, it is abusive and character assassination. Because >the job of a mole or whatever is not directly what is estimated as honorable >profession. But since it is absolutely false in my case, it is character >assassination. And this here right in the middle of this forum, where personal >attacks already are forbidden. > >Beyond many differences which we two might have, I think, we do both believe in >th freedom of speech. But in the Pordzik case the mentioned author has _not_ >taken part in the debates here where I was involved. Then suddenly he writes >such insults. Alone from that angle it must be clear that he has a personal axe >to grind. But, the hype is, that he doesn't want to discuss his insults, but he >is proud to write against me that his sole intention is (suddenly! - because >earlier this year he invited me repeatedly to write in his own forum and he >telephoned with me in hour-long chats) to prevent that I could write my >opinions. Beyond all our differences I see no reason at all that you should be >interested in such intentions. Because, I might be "lame" in my thought process, >I might be a bad English writer, but you wouldn't assume that my opinions had no >content, when I based my opinions and more so questions on pure science and >logic, in the SSDF or DB2 threads. The mentioned author however has repeatedly >informed me that any form of critic is in his view unwanted and simply not >clever. And also negative for mutual relationships. Of course such a view is >reasonable in business. But here we do not have just business I think. Here we >can discuss on the base of science and logic. > >I learned a lot from POPPER and other scientists of science. Progress is always >a consequence of "conjectures" and "refutations". This has no personal nor >abusive content whatsoever. > >Of course friendship is of highest value. But the negative side is when >friendship is often misinterpreted as partizanship. I did never belong to a side >or certain interests. I'm independant. And therefore such character >assassinations are very evil. In truth I did never work for someone against >someone else. POPPER described what happens with 'closed' systems of thought. > >Will you deny me here the right of protection against such unfounded, ugly, >personal attacks in the Pordzik-style? "Steered underground assassinative"? > > >Rolf Tueschen > >Here are the texts I got from CCC for my complaints I sent to moderators, I made >unreadable certain parts because this was email: > >The following message has been sent to ccc@icdchess.com: >From: rtueschen@t-online.de (Rolf Tueschen) >Subject: CCC Moderator E-mail > >Reply-to: rtueschen@t-online.de (Rolf Tueschen) >[ name: ] Rolf Tueschen >[ email: ] rtueschen@t-online.de >[ body: ] >Hi, > >in the message 242 711 Detlev Pordzik again wrote completely off-topic only >about me. This is called ad hominem. I beg you to do something against such >personal attacks because they are forbidden after the charta of CCC. > >Thank you > >Rolf Tueschen >[ user: ] xxxxxx >--- >This message was sent to you by xxxxxxxxxxxx >on Fri Jul 26 19:04:42 2002 (GMT). > > > > >The following message has been sent to ccc@icdchess.com: >From: rtueschen@t-online.de (Rolf Tueschen) >Subject: CCC Moderator E-mail > >Reply-to: rtueschen@t-online.de (Rolf Tueschen) >[ name: ] Rolf Tueschen >[ email: ] rtueschen@t-online.de >[ body: ] > Hi! > >The posting 242364 from Detlev Pordzik contains clearly put insults and >character assassination. [xxxxxxx snipped two paragraphes for personal reasons >since this was email!] > >I hereby ask you to delete the posting nr. 242364 and tell Detlef to stop the >nonsense. > >If you should have any questions to me please contact me, I'm willing to solve >the conflict. I hope that you won't let here in CCC poeple insulted. > >Thanks to anyone here who reads this as moderator. > >Rolf Tueschen >[ user: ] xxxxx >--- >This message was sent to you by xxxxxxxx >on Wed Jul 24 18:35:21 2002 (GMT).
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