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Subject: Re: Any conclusion on a previous post: A possible DB analysis move?

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 23:48:28 07/27/02

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On July 27, 2002 at 23:10:10, Robert Hyatt wrote:

Oh that position, yeah there the Deep Blue search system
which are focussed upon mate threats, they should
work well there.

Crafty is a bad compare here.

>On July 27, 2002 at 19:57:39, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On July 27, 2002 at 09:02:13, Alvaro Jose Povoa Cardoso wrote:
>>
>>what the hell do you talk about?
>
>
>He is talking about the Nf6+ move crafty played against chessmaster in
>the KKUP tournament a few years ago.  Crafty saw a draw score after a 13-14
>ply search.  Hsu sent me some brief output from Deep Blue Junior that showed
>that in under 2 minutes, it saw our score as +2.5...  Several moves into the
>game Crafty failed high and finally agreed.  DB Jr saw it very quickly while
>everyone else is taking quite a long time compared to their two minutes.  Note
>that this was DB Jr model 1, not the 1997 version...

r1b1r1k1/1q3ppp/ppn5/2bNp3/P4B2/5Q1P/BP3PP1/R2R2K1 w - - 2 19

DB jr is just as good as the 97 version, considering their parallel
speedup extrapolation.

>>I can show you a bunch of bad moves DBII made against kasparov
>>which no other computer makes, but i don't see a single good
>>move DB makes which todays software doesn't find.

>This was simply an attempt to compare their tactics to ours.  At least in

To that of crafty of course ,which isn't doing many checks in qsearch
nor extending mate threats a lot. nor extending singular stuff.

in this case the system as they describe how they extend works great
of course. I bet Brutus will find this easily too.

BTW did Hsu give an output?

because all the things i hear is always like: "he told me".
I want to see outputs :)

it could be true he just made a few moves and then got the score.
i remember an analysis of it a few years ago. if you give a big patzer
score for king safety you sure can get +2.xx there, otherwise it's a
pretty deep combi to see you win a piece on g6 using a pin of a pawn h4 h5.

>this position, theirs is better.
>
>
>
>>
>>>Sorry to return to this old post by Dr. Robert Hyatt, but I red it a little
>>>late.
>>>I know this is just one position, but I was wondering what conclusions could we
>>>take from this test?
>>>It seamed to me that current programs were a little slow in finding the winning
>>>score (not the move).
>>>
>>>Any comments?
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>Alvaro



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