Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 11:43:16 07/28/02
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On July 27, 2002 at 21:54:29, Terry McCracken wrote: DIEP - The King (chessmaster 9000+) makes a bunch of beginners mistakes here which i see no other engine of today, including a big bunch of amateurs make; dutch icsvn2 tournament: 1 d2-d4 (1:30:00,1:30:00) book 1.. Ng8-f6 (1:30:00,1:29:42) 2 c2-c4 (1:29:59,1:29:42) book 2.. c7-c5 (1:29:59,1:29:32) 3 d4-d5 (1:29:59,1:29:32) book 3.. e7-e6 (1:29:59,1:29:23) 4 Nb1-c3 (1:29:59,1:29:23) book 4.. e6xd5 (1:29:59,1:29:09) 5 c4xd5 (1:29:59,1:29:09) book 5.. d7-d6 (1:29:59,1:28:58) 6 Ng1-f3 (1:29:59,1:28:58) book 6.. g7-g6 (1:29:59,1:28:46) 7 e2-e4 (1:29:59,1:28:46) book 7.. a7-a6 (1:29:59,1:28:35) 8 Bc1-f4 (1:29:59,1:28:35) book 8.. b7-b5 (1:29:59,1:25:13) 9 Qd1-e2 (1:29:58,1:25:13) book 9.. Nf6-h5 (1:29:58,1:22:09) 10 Bf4-g5 (1:29:58,1:22:09) book 10.. Bf8-e7 (1:29:58,1:20:48) 11 Bg5-h6 (1:29:58,1:20:48) book 11.. b5-b4 (1:29:58,1:18:57) 12 Nc3-d1 (1:24:58,1:18:57) 0.74 13 39569632 02:46 0 0 22246978 (3790049) 12 0.743 Nc3-d1 Nh5-f6 Bh6-g7 Rh8-g8 Bg7-h6 Nb8-d7 a2-a3 Qd8-a5 Bh6-d2 Nd7-b6 Qe2-d3 Bc8-g4 Nf3-g5 12.. Nh5-f6 (1:24:58,1:15:58) 13 a2-a3 (1:22:50,1:15:58) 0.74 12 40157525 01:49 0 0 14273121 (1146086) 12 0.744 a2-a3 Nf6-g4 Bh6-d2 b4xa3 Ra1xa3 O-O h2-h3 Ng4-f6 Bd2-h6 Rf8-e8 Nf3-g5 Be7-f8 13.. b4xa3 (1:22:50,1:14:10) 14 Ra1xa3 (1:18:16,1:14:10) 1.14 12 36644999 02:40 0 0 21817395 (3277619) 12 1.135 Ra1xa3 Be7-f8 Qe2-e3 Bf8xh6 Qe3xh6 Nb8-d7 Bf1-b5 Bc8-b7 Bb5-c6 Qd8-b6 Bc6xb7 Qb6-b4 Nf3-d2 Qb4xb7 14.. Nb8-d7 (1:18:16,1:14:02) 15 Qe2-c2 (1:12:50,1:14:02) 1.04 12 43949800 02:35 0 0 21210145 (3366105) 12 1.042 Qe2-c2 Be7-f8 Bh6-f4 Qd8-e7 Nd1-c3 Bc8-b7 Bf1-e2 Bf8-g7 O-O O-O Nf3-g5 Nd7-e5 15.. Nf6-g4 (1:12:50,1:13:32) 16 Bh6-g7 (1:10:18,1:13:32) 1.69 13 21447226 02:26 0 0 20640252 (5389156) 13 1.687 Bh6-g7 Rh8-g8 Bg7-c3 Be7-f6 Bf1-e2 Bf6xc3 Nd1xc3 f7-f5 O-O Nd7-b6 Rf1-a1 Ng4-f6 e4-e5 Nf6xd5 Be2xa6 Ra8xa6 Ra3xa6 Bc8xa6 16.. Rh8-g8 (1:10:18,1:13:25) 17 Bg7-c3 (1:07:58,1:13:25) 1.75 13 20590630 01:02 0 0 9420454 (101880) 12 1.750 Bg7-c3 Be7-f6 Bf1-e2 Bf6xc3 Nd1xc3 f7-f5 O-O Nd7-b6 Rf1-e1 Ng4-f6 Nf3-g5 f5xe4 Nc3xe4 17.. Bc8-b7 (1:07:58,1:12:42) 18 h2-h3 (1:05:36,1:12:42) 1.79 12 19051123 02:13 0 0 17929390 (3995402) 12 1.793 h2-h3 Ng4-e5 Nf3xe5 Nd7xe5 Bf1-e2 f7-f5 Bc3xe5 d6xe5 Qc2-b3 Qd8-d7 d5-d6 c5-c4 Qb3xc4 18.. Ng4-e5 (1:05:36,1:09:09) 19 Nf3xe5 (1:05:36,1:09:09) 1.92 13 28883387 00:51 0 0 7041728 (1226335) 12 1.918 Nf3xe5 Nd7xe5 Bf1-e2 Be7-f6 Nd1-e3 Qd8-e7 O-O Ne5-d7 Ne3-c4 Bf6xc3 Ra3xc3 O-O-O Rc3-b3 19.. Nd7xe5 (1:05:36,1:07:14) 20 Bf1-e2 (1:05:36,1:07:14) 2.04 12 15831349 01:27 0 0 11867074 (158283) 12 2.036 Bf1-e2 Be7-f6 Nd1-e3 Ne5-d7 Bc3xf6 Nd7xf6 O-O Ke8-f8 Rf1-a1 Kf8-g7 Be2xa6 Qd8-e7 Ba6xb7 Ra8xa3 Ra1xa3 20.. Be7-f6 (1:05:36,1:05:29) 21 Nd1-e3 (1:05:32,1:05:29) 2.25 12 15170843 01:07 0 0 9228016 (71658) 11 2.249 Nd1-e3 Ne5-d7 Bc3xf6 Nd7xf6 O-O Ke8-d7 Rf1-a1 Kd7-c7 Be2xa6 Qd8-c8 Ba6-b5 21.. Qd8-e7 (1:05:32,1:02:59) 22 O-O (1:03:43,1:02:59) 2.16 11 14814164 00:42 0 0 5677543 (1168596) 10 2.164 O-O Ne5-d7 Bc3xf6 Nd7xf6 f2-f3 Nf6-h5 Rf1-a1 Qe7-g5 Qc2-d2 Nh5-f4 Be2xa6 Nf4xh3 Kg1-f1 Ra8-b8 22.. Ke8-f8 (1:03:43,1:02:36) 23 Rf1-a1 (1:01:57,1:02:36) 1.86 11 14811968 01:42 0 0 14289947 (1443019) 11 1.857 Rf1-a1 Bf6-g5 Ne3-c4 Ne5xc4 Be2xc4 f7-f6 Bc4xa6 Kf8-g7 Ba6-b5 Ra8xa3 Ra1xa3 23.. Bf6-g5 (1:01:57,1:02:03) 24 Ne3-c4 (1:00:46,1:02:03) 1.82 12 15142637 00:36 0 0 10061616 (2086872) 11 1.820 Ne3-c4 Ne5xc4 Be2xc4 Bg5-f6 Bc4xa6 Bb7xa6 Bc3xf6 Qe7xf6 Ra3xa6 Ra8xa6 Ra1xa6 Kf8-g7 Qc2-c3 Rg8-d8 Kg1-f1 h7-h5 Qc3xf6 Kg7xf6 24.. Ne5xc4 (1:00:46,1:01:00) 25 Be2xc4 (1:00:09,1:01:00) 1.86 14 16681797 00:29 0 0 15393633 (157622) 13 1.861 Be2xc4 Bg5-f6 Bc4xa6 Bb7xa6 Ra3xa6 Ra8xa6 Ra1xa6 Kf8-g7 b2-b4 c5xb4 Bc3xb4 Rg8-e8 Bb4xd6 Qe7xe4 25.. f7-f6 (1:00:09,0:59:08) 26 Bc4xa6 (0:58:29,0:59:08) 1.87 12 15135945 01:17 0 0 11822286 (1036481) 12 1.867 Bc4xa6 Kf8-g7 Ba6-b5 Qe7-c7 Qc2-d3 Ra8xa3 Ra1xa3 Rg8-a8 Ra3xa8 Bb7-c6 26.. Bb7xa6 (0:58:29,0:57:05) 27 Ra3xa6 (0:56:51,0:57:05) 2.09 12 15708895 01:20 0 0 12990026 (2598008) 12 2.088 Ra3xa6 Ra8xa6 Ra1xa6 Kf8-f7 27.. Ra8xa6 (0:56:51,0:56:09) 28 Ra1xa6 (0:56:13,0:56:09) 2.10 13 15931704 00:42 0 0 7050274 (2594037) 12 2.095 Ra1xa6 Kf8-f7 g2-g3 Rg8-b8 f2-f4 Bg5-h6 Qc2-a4 Kf7-g7 Ra6-a7 Rb8-b7 Ra7xb7 Qe7xb7 Qa4-e8 28.. Kf8-f7 (0:56:13,0:51:51) 29 g2-g3 (0:56:13,0:51:51) 2.12 13 42385486 00:58 0 0 9687499 (2507819) 12 2.123 g2-g3 Rg8-c8 Qc2-a4 Bg5-h6 f2-f4 Rc8-c7 Ra6-b6 29.. Rg8-c8 (0:56:13,0:49:25) 30 Qc2-b3 (0:56:13,0:49:25) 2.46 13 24431608 00:59 0 0 9876297 (907265) 12 2.459 Qc2-b3 Rc8-d8 Qb3-b6 Rd8-d7 Ra6-a8 Rd7-b7 Qb6-c6 Rb7-c7 Ra8-h8 Kf7-g7 Qc6-a8 Kg7-h6 30.. Rc8-d8 (0:56:13,0:46:56) 31 Qb3-a4 (0:56:13,0:46:56) 2.51 13 24812736 02:16 0 0 22619482 (3400873) 13 2.513 Qb3-a4 Rd8-d7 Ra6-a8 Bg5-c1 Ra8-h8 Kf7-g7 Qa4-a8 Rd7-b7 Rh8-g8 Kg7-f7 h3-h4 Rb7-a7 Qa8-c8 Ra7-a1 Kg1-h2 31.. Rd8-d7 (0:56:13,0:46:10) 32 b2-b4 (0:55:23,0:46:10) 2.52 12 15407994 00:49 0 0 15407992 (4455522) 12 2.520 b2-b4 Rd7-c7 b4xc5 Rc7xc5 Bc3-b4 Rc5-c1 Kg1-h2 Qe7xe4 Qa4-d7 Qe4-e7 Qd7xe7 Kf7xe7 Ra6-a7 Ke7-f8 f2-f4 Bg5-h6 Ra7xh7 Rc1-c2 Kh2-g1 Rc2-c1 Kg1-f2 Rc1-a1 32.. c5xb4 (0:55:23,0:45:16) 33 Bc3xb4 (0:53:50,0:45:16) 4.87 12 13474713 01:01 0 0 8387634 (4722591) 11 4.874 Bc3xb4 Kf7-g8 Qa4-c6 Rd7-d8 Bb4xd6 Qe7-f7 Bd6-c5 Qf7-e8 h3-h4 Qe8xe4 h4xg5 Qe4-b1 Kg1-g2 f6xg5 33.. Rd7-b7 (0:53:50,0:44:58) 34 Bb4xd6 (0:52:21,0:44:58) 5.25 13 15351338 01:00 0 0 10615881 (624958) 13 5.252 Bb4xd6 Qe7-e8 Qa4xe8 Kf7xe8 f2-f4 Bg5-h6 e4-e5 f6xe5 f4xe5 Ke8-f7 e5-e6 Kf7-f6 Ra6-a8 Rb7-b1 Kg1-f2 Bh6-d2 e6-e7 Bd2-h6 34.. Qe7-d7 (0:52:21,0:44:42) 35 Qa4xd7+ (0:50:53,0:44:42) 6.45 14 12368501 00:54 0 0 8768957 (1022882) 14 6.450 Qa4xd7 Rb7xd7 f2-f4 Bg5-h6 e4-e5 f6xe5 f4xe5 Rd7-b7 e5-e6 Kf7-f6 Ra6-a3 Rb7-b1 Kg1-f2 Rb1-b2 Kf2-f3 Rb2-c2 Ra3-a7 Rc2-c3 Kf3-e4 Rc3-c4 Ke4-d3 35.. Rb7xd7 (0:50:53,0:44:33) 36 f2-f4 (0:49:37,0:44:33) 6.45 16 17946260 00:22 0 0 6750541 (850205) 15 6.450 f2-f4 Bg5-h6 e4-e5 f6xe5 f4xe5 Rd7-b7 e5-e6 Kf7-f6 Ra6-a3 Rb7-b1 Kg1-f2 Rb1-b2 Kf2-f3 Rb2-c2 Ra3-a7 Rc2-c3 Kf3-e4 Rc3-c4 Ke4-d3 36.. Bg5-h6 (0:49:37,0:44:24) 37 e4-e5 (0:48:24,0:44:24) 6.53 16 17195663 00:32 0 0 8911643 (1148883) 15 6.534 e4-e5 f6xe5 f4xe5 Rd7-d8 Kg1-f2 Kf7-g8 Kf2-f3 Rd8-c8 Kf3-e4 Rc8-c4 Ke4-d3 Rc4-c8 Kd3-d4 Rc8-c2 e5-e6 Rc2-h2 37.. f6xe5 (0:48:24,0:44:17) 38 f4xe5 (0:47:10,0:44:17) 6.68 15 15620966 00:08 0 0 3321792 (8098) 14 6.682 f4xe5 Rd7-d8 Kg1-f2 Kf7-g8 e5-e6 Bh6-g5 Kf2-f3 Bg5-f6 Kf3-e4 Rd8-e8 38.. Rd7-d8 (0:47:10,0:44:10) 39 Kg1-f2 (0:45:58,0:44:10) 7.04 14 14039337 00:12 0 0 3516438 (485995) 13 7.042 Kg1-f2 Rd8-c8 e5-e6 Kf7-f6 Ra6-a7 g6-g5 Kf2-f3 Bh6-g7 Bd6-a3 Kf6-e5 d5-d6 Ke5xe6 g3-g4 39.. Bh6-f8 (0:45:58,0:42:53) 40 Ra6-a7+ (0:44:42,0:42:53) 7.09 14 11353162 00:22 0 0 3863200 (284226) 13 7.088 Ra6-a7 Kf7-g8 Bd6xf8 Rd8xf8 Kf2-e3 Rf8-f1 e5-e6 Rf1-d1 Ke3-e4 Rd1-e1 Ke4-f3 Re1-f1 Kf3-e2 Rf1-f5 e6-e7 Kg8-f7 d5-d6 Kf7-e8 40.. Kf7-g8 (0:44:42,0:42:45) 41 Bd6xf8 (0:43:35,0:42:45) 7.47 15 11419100 00:10 0 0 3250226 (890010) 14 7.466 Bd6xf8 Rd8xf8 Kf2-e3 Rf8-f1 e5-e6 Rf1-d1 Ke3-f4 Rd1-e1 Ra7-a8 Kg8-g7 d5-d6 Re1xe6 d6-d7 Re6-e7 d7-d8Q Re7-e8 41.. Kg8xf8 (0:43:35,0:42:33) 42 d5-d6 (0:42:23,0:42:33) 8.45 14 8777326 00:46 0 0 6203256 (2141566) 13 8.446 d5-d6 h7-h6 Kf2-e3 h6-h5 Ke3-d4 h5-h4 g3-g4 Kf8-e8 Ra7-g7 Rd8-d7 Rg7xd7 Ke8-f8 42.. h7-h5 (0:42:23,0:42:26) 43 Kf2-f3 (0:41:12,0:42:26) 9.35 13 5743881 01:02 0 0 5432673 (1807786) 13 9.345 Kf2-f3 Kf8-g8 Kf3-e4 h5-h4 g3xh4 Rd8-b8 e5-e6 Rb8-b4 Ke4-d5 g6-g5 43.. g6-g5 (0:41:12,0:41:16) 44 Kf3-e4 (0:40:03,0:41:16) 10.62 13 3714853 01:01 0 0 3579558 (768107) 13 10.615 Kf3-e4 Rd8-e8 Ke4-d5 g5-g4 e5-e6 g4xh3 Ra7-h7 Kf8-g8 Rh7xh5 Re8-a8 e6-e7 Kg8-f7 Rh5-h7 Kf7-g6 d6-d7 Kg6xh7 e7-e8Q 44.. h5-h4 (0:40:03,0:40:13) 45 g3xh4 (0:38:56,0:40:13) 12.90 12 3191056 01:05 0 0 3141649 (1088155) 12 12.899 g3xh4 Rd8-b8 h4xg5 Kf8-g8 h3-h4 Kg8-f8 Ke4-d5 Kf8-g8 Kd5-e4 >On July 27, 2002 at 20:40:30, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On July 27, 2002 at 17:08:48, John Merlino wrote: >> >>>On July 27, 2002 at 03:48:46, Andreas St. wrote: >>> >>>>On July 27, 2002 at 03:37:42, John Merlino wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 27, 2002 at 03:24:26, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/events/games/2002_dortmund/dort10b.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>(2) Topalov,V (2745) - Bareev,E (2726) [C11] >>>>>>Sparkassen sf Playoff Dortmund GER (2), 17.07.2002 >>>>>> >>>>>>.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Nbd7 6.Nf3 Be7 7.Nxf6+ Bxf6 8.h4 c5 >>>>>>9.Qd2 cxd4 10.Nxd4 h6 11.Bxf6 Nxf6 12.Qb4 Nd5 13.Qa3 Qe7 14.Bb5+ Bd7 15.Bxd7+ >>>>>>Kxd7 16.Qa4+ Kc7 17.Rh3 a6 18.Rb3 Qc5 19.0-0-0 b5 20.Qa5+ Qb6 21.Qe1 Kb7 22.Qe2 >>>>>>Ka7 23.Nxb5+ axb5 24.Rxb5 Qc6 25.Rdxd5 exd5 26.Qe7+ Ka6 27.Rb3 1-0 >>>>>> >>>>>>After 22...Ka7 >>>>>> >>>>>>[D]r6r/k4pp1/pq2p2p/1p1n4/3N3P/1R6/PPP1QPP1/2KR4 w >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>How quickly does fast hardware and top software, find this combination? >>>>>> >>>>>>Terry >>>>> >>>>>Chessmaster 9000 (top software) on a PIII-600 (not fast hardware) finds the move >>>>>in 40 seconds: >>>>> >>>>>Time Depth Score Positions Moves >>>>>0:00 1/3 0.74 3488 1.Qe5 Rhg8 2.Rg3 >>>>>0:00 1/4 0.94 9422 1.Qe5 Rhg8 2.Rf3 Raf8 3.Kb1 >>>>>0:00 1/5 0.82 27322 1.Qe5 Rhg8 2.Rf3 Raf8 3.Rg3 >>>>>0:02 1/6 1.04 106142 1.Qe5 g6 2.a4 Kb7 3.Kb1 b4 4.Rf3 >>>>>0:05 1/7 0.91 319292 1.Qe5 g6 2.a4 b4 3.a5 Qb7 4.Qd6 >>>>> Rac8 >>>>>0:15 1/8 1.13 1095592 1.Qe5 Rhg8 2.a4 b4 3.a5 Qb7 4.Rg3 >>>>> Rad8 5.Rxg7 Rxg7 6.Qxg7 >>>>>0:34 1/9 0.99 2547618 1.Qe5 Rhg8 2.Rf3 Qb7 3.Qd6 Rac8 >>>>> 4.Nxb5+ Qxb5 5.Rxf7+ Ka8 6.Qxe6 >>>>>0:40 1/9 1.71 3109576 1.Nxb5+ axb5 2.Rxb5 Qc6 3.Rdxd5 >>>>> exd5 4.Qd3 Rhb8 5.Qa3+ Qa6 6.Ra5 >>>>> Rb6 7.Qe7+ Rb7 8.Rxa6+ Kxa6 >>>>>0:59 1/10 3.10 4767354 1.Nxb5+ axb5 2.Rxb5 Qc6 3.Rdxd5 >>>>> exd5 4.Qe7+ Ka6 5.Rb3 Qb6 6.Rxb6+ >>>>> Kxb6 7.Qd6+ Ka7 8.Qc5+ Kb8 9.Qxd5 >>>>>2:00 2/11 3.67 10630854 1.Nxb5+ axb5 2.Rxb5 Qc6 3.Rdxd5 >>>>> exd5 4.Qe7+ Ka6 5.Rb3 Qb6 6.Rxb6+ >>>>> Kxb6 7.Qd6+ Ka7 8.Qxd5 Rhb8 9.Qxf7+ >>>>> Rb7 >>>>> >>>>>jm >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>my actual CM 8000 "Bleifuss" setting (32mb hash) needs 55 sec. on Athlon XP >>>>2000+ >>>> >>>>Analysis by CM Bleifuss: >>>> >>>>1.De5 Thg8 2.Kb1 Tad8 >>>> ² (0.57) Tiefe: 3 00:00:00 >>>>1.De5 Thg8 2.Tf3 Db7 3.Dd6 >>>> ± (0.83) Tiefe: 4 00:00:00 >>>>1.De5 Thg8 2.Tf3 Db7 3.Sf5 Tad8 >>>> ² (0.66) Tiefe: 5 00:00:00 >>>>1.De5 g6 2.a4 b4 3.a5 Db7 4.Dd6 >>>> ± (1.05) Tiefe: 6 00:00:00 109kN >>>>1.De5 g6 2.a4 b4 3.a5 Db7 4.Dd6 Thc8 >>>> ± (0.82) Tiefe: 7 00:00:01 248kN >>>>1.De5 Thg8 2.a4 b4 3.a5 Db7 4.Tg3 Tad8 5.Txg7 Txg7 6.Dxg7 >>>> ± (1.10) Tiefe: 8 00:00:07 1659kN >>>>1.De5 g6 2.a4 b4 3.a5 Dc5 4.Txb4 Tac8 5.Ta4 Thd8 >>>> ± (1.08) Tiefe: 9 00:00:15 3569kN >>>>1.De5 Thg8 2.Tf3 Db7 3.Sf5 exf5 4.Txd5 Tae8 5.Dxf5 Te1+ 6.Td1 Txd1+ 7.Kxd1 >>>> ± (1.08) Tiefe: 10 00:00:42 10189kN >>>>1.Sxb5+ axb5 2.Txb5 Dc6 3.Tdxd5 exd5 4.De7+ Ka6 5.Tb3 Db6 6.Txb6+ Kxb6 7.Dd6+ >>>>Ka7 8.Dc5+ Kb8 9.Dxd5 >>>> +- (3.42) Tiefe: 10 00:00:55 13612kN >>>> >>>>(Fritz 7, 27.07.2002) >>>> >>>>Greetings >>>> >>>>AS >>> >>>I don't like to stick my neck (and Johan's neck) out too far, but results like >>>this make it look like the CM9000 engine is going to be noticeably superior to >>>the CM8000 engine. >>> >>>jm >> >>Not really, it's simply extending less. So the things it used to >>be better in than some other engines, it no longer can do. the things >>it is better in now, the other engines are even better in. >> >>I won't mention the word 'losing by natural induction', but that's >>what it is. No other words for it. Johan been too lazy last years. >> >>Best regards, >>Vincent > >Vincent, all I hear out of your mouth, is Hyatt's Crafty is _weak_ and Johan is >_lazy_ while adding nothing constructive to this thread. > >You didn't even use Diep on the position, albeit it's a piece of garbage! > >In the future, if you've nothing constructive to contribute, STFU for a change! > >Best Regards, > Terry > >P.S. Shall I post what you said about Century 4 at ICC, how it was weak in the > endgame? This was last Feb. when it was Century 4 vs Loek van Wely. > > You're right, you should watch what you say when kibitzing, you never know > when a reporter might be watching!
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