Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 18:37:05 07/28/02
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On July 28, 2002 at 14:38:25, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On July 28, 2002 at 12:54:10, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >DIEP - Crafty >world champs 2000: You base a _lot_ on one game. I can produce hundreds you have lost on ICC. So my question stands... > >please note that diep in 2000 didn't have much extensions. just >checks a little, this was one of those tactical games where crafty >makes a mistake which diep would never make. out of book it plays O-O >castling straight into the mate, instead of the forced move h5. Vincent, want me to post _several_ games where Diep castled right into an attack? I have seen _several_... DIEP 2000 >also finds the move h5 *without* extensions. I remember crafty simply >didn't in 2000. While crafty still finds itself up a few pawns, i'm >already at a positive score: > >e2-e4 (2:00:00,2:00:00) book >c7-c5 (2:00:00,1:59:19) >g1-f3 (2:00:00,1:59:19) book >d7-d6 (2:00:00,1:59:06) >d2-d4 (2:00:00,1:59:06) book >c5xd4 (2:00:00,1:58:48) >f3xd4 (1:59:59,1:58:48) book >g8-f6 (1:59:59,1:58:21) >b1-c3 (1:59:59,1:58:21) book >a7-a6 (1:59:59,1:58:02) >c1-g5 (1:59:59,1:58:02) book >e7-e6 (1:59:59,1:57:44) >f2-f4 (1:59:59,1:57:44) book >d8-b6 (1:59:59,1:57:29) >d1-d2 (1:59:59,1:57:29) book >b6xb2 (1:59:59,1:57:16) >a1-b1 (1:59:59,1:57:16) book >b2-a3 (1:59:59,1:56:53) >f4-f5 (1:59:59,1:56:53) book >b8-c6 (1:59:59,1:56:28) >f5xe6 (1:59:59,1:56:28) book >f7xe6 (1:59:59,1:55:59) >d4xc6 (1:59:59,1:55:59) book >b7xc6 (1:59:59,1:55:43) >e4-e5 (1:59:59,1:55:43) book >d6xe5 (1:59:59,1:51:36) >g5xf6 (1:59:59,1:51:36) book >g7xf6 (1:59:59,1:50:43) >c3-e4 (1:59:59,1:50:43) book >f8-e7 (1:59:59,1:46:38) >f1-e2 (1:59:59,1:46:38) book >O-O (1:59:59,1:43:49) >b1-b3 (1:55:39,1:43:49) -1.40 12 10410289 02:08 5131791 (0) 11 -1.40 Rb1-b3 >Qa3xa2 Rb3-g3 Kg8-h8 O-O Rf8-f7 Qd2-h6 Bc8-b7 Be2-h5 Be7-f8 Ne4-d6 Rf7-c7 Qh6xf6 >Bf8-g7 >a3xa2 (1:55:39,1:40:02) >O-O (1:55:12,1:40:02) -0.95 12 10069052 03:13 7721131 (0) 12 -0.94 O-O >Kg8-h8 Qd2-h6 Rf8-f7 Rb3-g3 Bc8-d7 Be2-h5 Ra8-f8 Bh5xf7 Rf8xf7 >g8-h8 (1:55:12,1:35:22) >d2-h6 (1:55:12,1:35:22) -0.02 12 11084226 04:17 10175948 (0) 12 -0.02 >Qd2-h6 Rf8-f7 Rb3-g3 Ra8-a7 Be2-h5 Qa2-c4 Qh6-e3 Be7-f8 Bh5xf7 Ra7xf7 Ne4-g5 >Rf7-b7 Rf1xf6 >f8-f7 (1:55:12,1:31:05) >b3-g3 (1:55:10,1:31:05) 0.08 12 10434337 00:44 1857642 (0) 11 0.08 Rb3-g3 >Ra8-a7 Be2-h5 Qa2-c4 Bh5xf7 Be7-c5 Ne4xc5 Qc4xc5 Qh6-e3 Qc5xe3 Rg3xe3 Ra7xf7 >Re3xe5 >a8-a7 (1:55:10,1:30:13) >g1-h1 (1:51:41,1:30:13) 1.89 12 10632112 00:30 3252994 (0) 11 1.88 Kg1-h1 >Qa2xc2 Be2-h5 Be7-f8 Bh5xf7 Ra7xf7 Qh6-h5 Rf7-e7 Ne4-d6 Bf8-g7 Nd6xc8 >a2xc2 (1:51:41,1:26:00) >h6-h5 (1:51:36,1:26:00) 4.56 12 10335746 03:18 8038735 (0) 12 4.55 Qh6-h5 >Rf7-f8 Be2-d3 Qc2xd3 Rg3xd3 f6-f5 Rd3-h3 Be7-d8 Ne4-d6 Bd8-f6 Qh5-h6 Ra7-f7 >Nd6xf7 Rf8xf7 >e7-f8 (1:51:36,1:20:27) >e2-d3 (1:47:16,1:20:27) 9.73 12 10345462 03:11 7465878 (0) 11 9.73 Be2-d3 >Qc2-c3 Ne4xc3 f6-f5 Nc3-e4 a6-a5 Ne4-g5 Rf7-e7 Ng5xh7 Re7xh7 Qh5-g6 >c2-c3 (1:47:16,1:17:54) >e4xc3 (1:45:35,1:17:54) 10.71 13 11309369 01:03 3009384 (0) 12 10.71 Ne4xc3 >f6-f5 Nc3-e4 a6-a5 Ne4-g5 Rf7-e7 Ng5xh7 Re7xh7 Qh5-e8 Ra7-f7 Qe8xc8 e5-e4 >f6-f5 (1:45:35,1:08:48) >f1-d1 (1:45:35,1:08:48) 14.34 14 25902144 08:35 24433268 (0) 14 14.34 >Rf1-d1 Rf7-f6 Qh5-g5 Rf6-g6 Qg5-d8 Rg6xg3 h2xg3 Ra7-f7 Qd8xc8 Rf7-f6 Bd3xa6 >e5-e4 Rd1-d6 Rf6-f7 >f7-f6 (1:45:35,1:06:55) >h5-g5 (1:43:10,1:06:55) 14.80 14 12995655 00:07 6139846 (0) 14 14.79 Qh5-g5 >Rf6-g6 Qg5-d8 Rg6xg3 h2xg3 Ra7-f7 Qd8xc8 Rf7-f6 Bd3xa6 c6-c5 Nc3-a4 Rf6-h6 >Kh1-g1 Rh6-f6 Na4xc5 >f6-g6 (1:43:10,1:01:45) >g5-d8 (1:43:10,1:01:45) 15.62 15 14419477 04:12 11490210 (0) 14 15.61 >Qg5-d8 Rg6xg3 h2xg3 Ra7-f7 Qd8xc8 Rf7-f6 Bd3xa6 e5-e4 Rd1-d7 c6-c5 Nc3-a4 Rf6-h6 >Kh1-g1 Rh6-f6 Na4xc5 >a7-f7 (1:43:10,0:58:06) >g3xg6 (1:38:51,0:58:06) 18.97 15 12950942 02:51 8633112 (0) 14 18.97 Rg3xg6 >h7xg6 Qd8xc8 Kh8-g7 Bd3-c4 Bf8-b4 Qc8xe6 Rf7-e7 Qe6-g8 Kg7-h6 Qg8-f8 Re7-g7 >Qf8xb4 Kh6-h7 Bc4xa6 >h7xg6 (1:38:51,0:56:03) >d8xc8 (1:36:42,0:56:03) 20.57 14 12149319 01:29 4515394 (0) 13 20.56 Qd8xc8 >Kh8-h7 Bd3-c4 Bf8-e7 Bc4xe6 Rf7-g7 Rd1-d3 Be7-g5 Rd3-h3 Bg5-h6 Qc8-d8 Rg7-f7 >Be6xf7 >h8-h7 (1:24:00,0:46:53) >d3-c4 (1:24:00,0:46:53) 26.90 13 33172910 04:04 10950485 (0) 12 26.90 >Bd3-c4 Bf8-g7 Qc8xe6 Rf7-f6 Qe6-g8 Kh7-h6 Rd1-d7 Kh6-g5 Qg8xg7 c6-c5 h2-h4 >Kg5xh4 Qg7xf6 > > > >>On July 27, 2002 at 20:36:26, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On July 27, 2002 at 07:50:19, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>Actually everyone wonders for years already why crafty >>>is tactical so weak. It won't be long before you also >>>beat it in time to find combi's sooner. >> >>If it is so "tactically weak" why can't you or your program blow it >>off the board in games??? >> >> >> >>> >>>>On July 27, 2002 at 07:14:19, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>> >>>><snipped> >>>>> singular extension..................0.75 >>>> >>>>Does crafty use singular extensions? >>>> >>>>It seems not to be very important here because >>>>movei without singular extensions seems to solve it faster >>>>(if you consider the fact that my p850 is an inferior hardware) >>>>and at smaller depth. >>>> >>>>Movei needs slightly more than a minute with p850(128 Mbytes hash) >>>>but Crafty17.14 on the same hardware needs almost 3 minutes and >>>>remember that movei does not use hash tables in an efficient way. >>>> >>>>[D]r6r/k4pp1/pq2p2p/1p1n4/3N3P/1R6/PPP1QPP1/2KR4 w - - 0 1 >>>> >>>>9 120 6585 8133249 d4b5 >>>>9 242 7508 9423216 d4b5 a6b5 b3b5 b6d6 d1d4 d5c3 b5a5 a7b7 b2c3 d6d4 e2f3 b7b6 >>>>c3d4 a8a5 f3f7 a5a2 f7g7 >>>>9 242 7755 9764522 d4b5 a6b5 b3b5 b6d6 d1d4 d5c3 b5a5 a7b7 b2c3 d6d4 e2f3 b7b6 >>>>c3d4 a8a5 f3f7 a5a2 f7g7 >>>>10 296 9238 11782740 d4b5 a6b5 b3b5 b6c6 d1d5 e6d5 e2e7 a7a6 b5b3 c6b6 b3b6 a6b6 >>>>e7d6 b6a7 d6d5 >>>>10 296 9870 12649414 d4b5 a6b5 b3b5 b6c6 d1d5 e6d5 e2e7 a7a6 b5b3 c6b6 b3b6 a6b6 >>>>e7d6 b6a7 d6d5 >>>>11 360 17417 23221197 d4b5 a6b5 b3b5 b6c6 d1d5 e6d5 e2e7 a7a6 b5b3 c6b6 b3b6 >>>>a6b6 e7d6 b6a7 d6d5 h8f8 d5d4 a7b7 d4g7 >>>>11 360 18740 24983892 d4b5 a6b5 b3b5 b6c6 d1d5 e6d5 e2e7 a7a6 b5b3 c6b6 b3b6 >>>>a6b6 e7d6 b6a7 d6d5 h8f8 d5d4 a7b7 d4g7 >>>>12 358 26617 35920723 d4b5 a6b5 b3b5 b6c6 d1d5 e6d5 e2e7 a7a6 b5b3 c6b6 b3b6 >>>>a6b6 e7d6 b6b5 d6d5 b5b6 d5f7 a8a7 >>>>12 358 30895 41946016 d4b5 a6b5 b3b5 b6c6 d1d5 e6d5 e2e7 a7a6 b5b3 c6b6 b3b6 >>>>a6b6 e7d6 b6b5 d6d5 b5b6 d5f7 a8a7 >>>> >>>>Uri
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