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Subject: Re: A pair of draws.

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 19:17:46 07/28/02

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6 seconds on the first isn't bad at all.  Better than anything I've tested.

4 hours on the other, I don't know.  I haven't let any program think that long.
But still impressive it finds it.



On July 28, 2002 at 16:39:57, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>On July 28, 2002 at 00:40:23, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>>8/8/8/7n/8/7N/3kp1K1/5n2 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Nf1 to draw.  Sure you find Nf1, but do you see the draw?
>
>With TBs, Yace on K6-2 475 sees a draw score in 6 seconds.
>
>    153577   1.528  -6.86  9++ 1. Ng1 Nf4+ 2. Kh1 Ng3+ 3. Kh2 Kd3 4. Nf3 Ng6
>                               5. Ne1+ Kd2 6. Nf3+ Kc3
>    167408   1.637  -5.86  9++ 1. Ng1 Nf4+ 2. Kh1 Ng3+ 3. Kh2 Ng2 4. Kxg2 e1=R
>    238819   2.006  -0.94  9t  1. Ng1 Ne3+ 2. Kh3 Nf4+ 3. Kh2 Ng4+ 4. Kh1 Nd5
>                               5. Nxe2H Nge3H 6. Kg1H Kd3H 7. Nf4+H Kd2H {-340}
>    239456   2.022  -0.94  9.  1. Ng1 Ne3+ 2. Kh3 Nf4+ 3. Kh2 Ng4+ 4. Kh1 Nd5
>                               5. Nxe2 Nge3 6. Kg1 Kd3 7. Nf4+ Kd2 {-340}
>    302625   2.375  -0.94 10t  1. Ng1 Ne3+ 2. Kh3 Nf4+ 3. Kh2 Ng4+ 4. Kh1 e1=B
>                               5. Nf3+ Kd3 6. Nxe1+ Kd4 7. Nd3H Nd5H 8. Kg2H
>                               Nge3+H 9. Kh3H {-340}
>    303756   2.406  -0.94 10.  1. Ng1 Ne3+ 2. Kh3 Nf4+ 3. Kh2 Ng4+ 4. Kh1 e1=B
>                               5. Nf3+ Kd3 6. Nxe1+ Kd4 7. Nd3 Nd5 8. Kg2
>                               Nge3+ 9. Kh3 {-340}
>    414226   2.958  -0.94 11t  1. Ng1 Ne3+ 2. Kh3 Nf4+ 3. Kh2 Ng4+ 4. Kh1 e1=N
>                               5. Nf3+ Ke3 6. Nxe1 Ne2 7. Nf3 Nf2+ 8. Kg2 Nf4+
>                               9. Kg3H N2d3H {-340}
>    416173   2.982  -0.94 11.  1. Ng1 Ne3+ 2. Kh3 Nf4+ 3. Kh2 Ng4+ 4. Kh1 e1=N
>                               5. Nf3+ Ke3 6. Nxe1 Ne2 7. Nf3 Nf2+ 8. Kg2 Nf4+
>                               9. Kg3 N2d3 {-340}
>    523494   3.531  -0.91 12t  1. Ng1 Ne3+ 2. Kh3 Nf4+ 3. Kh2 Ng4+ 4. Kh1 Nf2+
>                               5. Kh2 e1=Q 6. Nf3+ Ke3 7. Nxe1 Ne2 8. Ng2+ Kf3
>                               9. Nf4 Ng3 10. Kg1H Nge4H 11. Kf1H {-340}
>    527313   3.623  -0.91 12.  1. Ng1 Ne3+ 2. Kh3 Nf4+ 3. Kh2 Ng4+ 4. Kh1 Nf2+
>                               5. Kh2 e1=Q 6. Nf3+ Ke3 7. Nxe1 Ne2 8. Ng2+ Kf3
>                               9. Nf4 Ng3 10. Kg1 Nge4 11. Kf1 {-340}
>    777635   4.984  -0.90 13t  1. Ng1 Ne3+ 2. Kh3 Nf4+ 3. Kh2 Ng4+ 4. Kh1 Nf2+
>                               5. Kh2 e1=Q 6. Nf3+ Ke3 7. Nxe1 Ne2 8. Nc2+ Ke4
>                               9. Nd4 Nf4H 10. Ne6H Nd5H 11. Ng5+H Kd4H 12.
>                               Ne6+H Ke5H {-340}
>    783191   5.047  -0.90 13.  1. Ng1 Ne3+ 2. Kh3 Nf4+ 3. Kh2 Ng4+ 4. Kh1 Nf2+
>                               5. Kh2 e1=Q 6. Nf3+ Ke3 7. Nxe1 Ne2 8. Nc2+ Ke4
>                               9. Nd4 Nf4 10. Ne6 Nd5 11. Ng5+ Kd4 12. Ne6+
>                               Ke5 {-340}
>    917370   5.821   0.00 14++ 1. Ng1 Ne3+ 2. Kh3 Nf4+ 3. Kh2 Ng4+ 4. Kh1 Nf2+
>                               5. Kh2 e1=Q 6. Nf3+ Ke3 7. Nxe1 {EGTB} 7...N2d3
>                               8. Nc2+ Kf3 9. Na3 Nb4 10. Nc2 Nbd3 11. Na3 Nb4
>                               12. Nc2 Nbd3 {repetition} {-340}
>    929766   5.989   0.00 14t  1. Ng1 Ne3+ 2. Kh3 Nf4+H 3. Kh2H Ng4+H 4. Kh1H
>                               Nf2+H 5. Kh2H e1=QH 6. Nf3+H Ke3H 7. Nxe1H
>                               {EGTB} 7...Nd5 8. Nc2+ Kf3 9. Na3 Nb6 10. Nc2
>                               Nd5 11. Na3 Nb6 12. Nc2 Nd5 {repetition} {-340}
>[And no change anymore]
>
>
>>8/4kP2/6P1/8/3rB1r1/2P3P1/6PK/8 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Bf5 to draw.  And Bf3 does _not_ work.
>
>Here Yace needs a very long time - over 4 hours:
>
>  43167727  4:23.4  -0.25 16.  1. Bf3 Ra4 2. Bd1 Kf8 3. Kh3 Ra1 4. Kxg4 Rxd1
>                               5. Kg5 Rd2 6. g4 Rxg2 7. Kf5 Rc2H {HT} {-180}
>  71564719  7:17.3  -0.52 17t  1. Bf3 Ra4 2. Bd1 Kf8 3. Kh3 Ra1 4. Kxg4 Rxd1
>                               5. Kg5 Rd2 6. c4 Rxg2 7. Kf5 Rxg3 8. c5 Rf3+ 9.
>                               Ke6 Rc3 10. Kf6 {-260}
>  94812369  9:45.1  -0.52 17.  1. Bf3 Ra4 2. Bd1 Kf8 3. Kh3 Ra1 4. Kxg4 Rxd1
>                               5. Kg5 Rd2 6. c4 Rxg2 7. Kf5 Rxg3 8. c5 Rf3+ 9.
>                               Ke6 Rc3 10. Kf6 {-260}
> 157519608 16:04.4  -0.70 18t  1. Bf3 Ra4 2. Bd1 Kf8 3. Kh3 Ra1 4. Kxg4 Rxd1
>                               5. Kg5 Rd2 6. Kf6 Rf2+ 7. Ke6 Rxg2 8. Kf6 Rf2+
>                               9. Kg5 Rf3 10. c4 Rxg3+ 11. Kf6 Rf3+ 12. Ke6H
>                               Re3+H 13. Kf6H Re5H {HT} {-260}
> 204514965 20:45.3  -0.70 18.  1. Bf3 Ra4 2. Bd1 Kf8 3. Kh3 Ra1 4. Kxg4 Rxd1
>                               5. Kg5 Rd2 6. Kf6 Rf2+ 7. Ke6 Rxg2 8. Kf6 Rf2+
>                               9. Kg5 Rf3 10. c4 Rxg3+ 11. Kf6 Rf3+ 12. Ke6
>                               Re3+ 13. Kf6 Re5 {HT} {-260}
> 339480577 33:49.2  -0.86 19t  1. Bf3 Ra4 2. Bd1 Kf8 3. Kh3 Ra1 4. Kxg4 Rxd1
>                               5. Kg5 Rd2 6. Kf6 Rf2+ 7. Ke6 Rxg2 8. Kf6 Rf2+
>                               9. Ke6 Ra2 10. g4 Ra6+ 11. Kf5 Rc6 12. g5 {-180}
> 441511568 43:45.4  -0.86 19.  1. Bf3 Ra4 2. Bd1 Kf8 3. Kh3 Ra1 4. Kxg4 Rxd1
>                               5. Kg5 Rd2 6. Kf6 Rf2+ 7. Ke6 Rxg2 8. Kf6 Rf2+
>                               9. Ke6 Ra2 10. g4 Ra6+ 11. Kf5 Rc6 12. g5 {-180}
> 778827879 1:15:36  -0.87 20t  1. Bf3 Ra4 2. Bd1 Rge4 3. Bc2 Kf8 {HT}
> 996656418 1:36:40  -0.87 20.  1. Bf3 Ra4 2. Bd1 Rge4 3. Bc2 Kf8
>1143630376 1:50:28  -1.27 21-- 1. Bf3 Ra4 2. Bd1 Kf8 3. Kh3 Ra1 4. Kxg4 Rxd1
>                               5. Kg5 Kg7 6. g4 Rg1 7. Kf4 Rxg2 8. g5 Rc2 9.
>                               c4 Rxc4+ 10. Ke5 Rc5+ 11. Kd6 Rxg5 12. Ke6
>1722588210 2:46:18  -1.28 21t  1. Bf3 Ra4 2. Bd1 Kf8 {HT}
>2703962187 4:21:08  -1.27 21t+ 1. Bf5 Rc4 2. Be6 Kxe6 3. f8=Q Rxc3
>3769914951 6:03:26  -1.07 21t  1. Bf5 Rc4 2. Be6 Kf8 3. Kh3 Rge4 4. Bd5 Kg7 5.
>                               Kh2 Ra4 6. Bc6 Rec4 7. Bb5 Rg4 8. Bd7 Rac4 9.
>                               Be6 Rce4 10. Bf5 Kf8 11. Kh3 {-250}
>4220097892 6:46:50  -1.07 21.  1. Bf5 Rc4 2. Be6 Kf8 3. Kh3 Rge4 4. Bd5 Kg7 5.
>                               Kh2 Ra4 6. Bc6 Rec4 7. Bb5 Rg4 8. Bd7 Rac4 9.
>                               Be6 Rce4 10. Bf5 Kf8 11. Kh3 {-250}
>2512939255 11:01:48  -0.68 22t  1. Bf5 Ra4 2. Bd7 Rgc4 3. Bb5H Rxc3H {HT} {-330}
>
>Regards,
>Dieter



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