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Subject: Re: questions about singular extensions

Author: Mark Young

Date: 06:03:54 08/10/98

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On August 10, 1998 at 05:14:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 10, 1998 at 02:07:54, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On August 09, 1998 at 23:09:20, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>I know DB and Cray blitz use singular extensions (when one move is clearly
>>>better than the others they analyze it more) and I have some questions
>>>1) how much time do the programs analyze a move to decide it is singular.
>>>Is it a function of the total time you give the program?
>>>
>>>2)what is exactly a singular move
>>>(what is the minimal difference in evaluation between the best move and the
>>>second best move to decide that a move is singular).
>>>
>>>3)In what lines do the programs use singular extensions?
>>>
>>>4)are there other programs who use singular extensions?
>>>
>>I had a test position that would test if a program used singular extensions. I
>>lost the test position but remember that CM5000 could solve the position in less
>>then 1 sec. meaning CM5000 used singular extensions. Other programs I tested
>>could not solve the position at all. So they did not use singular extensions. If
>>someone has this test position please post it.
>>>Uri
>
>
>
>Actually a test position can't identify this.  It might "suggest" that a program
>does or doesn't use SE, but it can't prove it.  The singular margin can be
>different, on different engines, which will affect what gets extended and what
>doesn't...  some may only extend when material is being lost or won, while
>others may extend on large positional score swings, etc.  I don't think *any*
>micro can do *full* singular extensions because it is quite expensive, which is
>why a couple have tried just PV-singular extensions, or "deferred singular
>extensions", to keep the cost contained...

Thank you for the info. I also remember a version of the Chessmachine program
had singular extensions. I remember an Update disk coming in the mail from
inside chess. And the update letter saying this new version uses singular
extensions. I did not find the new version stronger. And think the next update
did not use it, but Ed should now for sure.



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