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Subject: Re: Hello from Edmonton (and on Temporal Differences)

Author: Jon Dart

Date: 21:06:19 07/30/02

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On July 30, 2002 at 22:43:36, James Swafford wrote:
> Knightcap was strong, but it's
>definitely not in the top tier.
>
>Maybe Tridgell/Baxter quit to soon, and Knightcap really could've been
>a top tier program.  Or maybe the reason nobody is using TD is because
>it's impractical for the large number of parameters required to be
>competitive in chess.  Or maybe Schaeffer was right, and the commercial
>guys just aren't taking TD seriously.

KnightCap wasn't bad at all. It was interesting to me that, not only
did they not believe in manual eval tuning, they also didn't believe
in manually constructed opening books. All the opening stuff was
learned, too.

It's an interesting approach. It's probably better than having an amateur like
me tweak things by hand, using a little bit of chess knowledge and intuition.
But if you have a GM to help you out (as Roman and others have done for Bob),
then I think you can make quite a bit of progress - these people have their own
finely tuned eval function that has terms you might not even think to include
(and if it's not included, its proper value cannot be learned). Next best thing
to actually having GM advice is at least to have strong players match your
program and demonstrate where it is weak - which is quite possible on ICC.

I also think opening experts can add value, in a similar way.

--Jon



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