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Subject: Re: A move maybe Fischer or Petrosian would find, but not a computer

Author: Art Basham

Date: 08:30:29 07/31/02

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My program says....Qc1, and white is winning....+1.72

What move should we be looking for?


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On July 31, 2002 at 11:20:10, Jeroen van Dorp wrote:

>[D]r7/1p2ppkp/6p1/p2n4/Pn6/1r1P1P2/1P1Q2PP/1K1R3R w - - 0 21
>
>Draw agreed.
>
>What does your program play in this situation?
>
>J.H. Donner, who died in 1988, was an avid opponent of the "chess playing
>calculator". They can't play chess, was his opinion. The same goes for women, he
>stated, because they "lack intuition". Inclined to react - don't feel obliged,
>he won't hear you anymore, and it is said that those not insulted by Donner
>didn't exist. So much for that.
>
>Recently a new Dutch edition of The King (De Koning - schaakstukken) - a
>collection of his columns in various Dutch magazines was published, and in one
>of the pieces from 1975 he tells the story about the above position.
>
>It's from a game between Browne and Genna Sosonko on Hoogovens 1975, and he
>agreed with Browne that the draw (a white queen against two black knights) tends
>to ridicule. Are those two knights really worth a queen?
>
>He then starts analyzing, and concludes it's a draw indeed.
>
>However, some months later he visits the Noordoostpolder, somewhere in the
>Netherlands (I'll be heading there tomorrow, that's why the piece caught my
>eye:)) and on a tournament there, in Emmeloord, some anonymous chess player came
>to Donner and asked him "what would black do if white would have played 21.Qc1?"
>
>Donner realized that this must be the solution and analyzes again; then he
>wonders if Fischer would have found the move, and is pretty sure Petrosjan would
>have been able to.
>
>Given his disdain for "chess playing calculators" it's maybe interesting what
>todays versions of them produce as answer. I put the position in Fritz 7 and
>watched the outcome.
>Maybe Donner was also wrong about women and chess.
>
>J.



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