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Subject: Re: Is The Computer\Grandmaster Debate finally over??

Author: George Piles

Date: 08:58:23 07/31/02

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On July 31, 2002 at 11:55:24, Peter Skinner wrote:

>On July 31, 2002 at 11:41:23, George Piles wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I believe the Most vocal Critics has Been Silent, It is routine now for
>>Programs to Get GM Norms even on relatively Slow machines. One would have to be
>>a fool to say computers are Not GM Strength, since the evidence is Overwelming.
>>I think it could be said with confidence that the top programs running on 500mhz
>>and up are GM strength without doubt. I can't recall one "bad" result of the
>>Computers in the last three years playing Humans. For those who claim that
>>humans have only to get more experience against the programs and then the
>>program results will get worst, i have this too say, "when will this happen" so
>>far the computer results have Been consistent. Computers have won "far" more
>>games then they have lost over a four year period. (more then enough time for
>>humans to learn anti-computer methods}.
>
>I must be a fool then. I believe that computers are still behind humans at
>tournament time controls. At time controls slower than tournament computer do
>far better but that is where it stops.
>
>Wait until Kramnik absolutely destroys Fritz in October then you will see what I
>mean. There is little doubt that Kramnik is going to win the match. The only
>question now is by how much he will win.
>
>You can take a 500 MHZ computer onto ICC and play < 15 mins per side against
>only humans and do very well. Extend that time control to >90 mins per side and
>you will easily see the difference. Try it and you will see what I mean.
>
>Computers are getting there. They are not there now though.




  No we don't disagree, I too believe Computers are still behind Humans in
Strength, but the Question was do they play at the GM level ?  The answer is yes
and has been proven time and time again by the Programs.



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