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Subject: Re: Is The Computer\Grandmaster Debate finally over??

Author: George Piles

Date: 11:18:25 07/31/02

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On July 31, 2002 at 12:06:07, Peter Skinner wrote:

>On July 31, 2002 at 11:58:23, George Piles wrote:
>
>>On July 31, 2002 at 11:55:24, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>
>>>On July 31, 2002 at 11:41:23, George Piles wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe the Most vocal Critics has Been Silent, It is routine now for
>>>>Programs to Get GM Norms even on relatively Slow machines. One would have to be
>>>>a fool to say computers are Not GM Strength, since the evidence is Overwelming.
>>>>I think it could be said with confidence that the top programs running on 500mhz
>>>>and up are GM strength without doubt. I can't recall one "bad" result of the
>>>>Computers in the last three years playing Humans. For those who claim that
>>>>humans have only to get more experience against the programs and then the
>>>>program results will get worst, i have this too say, "when will this happen" so
>>>>far the computer results have Been consistent. Computers have won "far" more
>>>>games then they have lost over a four year period. (more then enough time for
>>>>humans to learn anti-computer methods}.
>>>
>>>I must be a fool then. I believe that computers are still behind humans at
>>>tournament time controls. At time controls slower than tournament computer do
>>>far better but that is where it stops.
>>>
>>>Wait until Kramnik absolutely destroys Fritz in October then you will see what I
>>>mean. There is little doubt that Kramnik is going to win the match. The only
>>>question now is by how much he will win.
>>>
>>>You can take a 500 MHZ computer onto ICC and play < 15 mins per side against
>>>only humans and do very well. Extend that time control to >90 mins per side and
>>>you will easily see the difference. Try it and you will see what I mean.
>>>
>>>Computers are getting there. They are not there now though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  No we don't disagree, I too believe Computers are still behind Humans in
>>Strength, but the Question was do they play at the GM level ?  The answer is yes
>>and has been proven time and time again by the Programs.
>
>Fritz is not near Kramnik's "level" therefore behind in strength. You take the
>top 10 GM's in the world currently and the best program, and I can guarantee the
>computer will not win the event.
>
>If the human has a bad series of games that is entirely possible. Humans tire.
>Computers do not.
>
>Comparing a computer to a human is like comparing apples and oranges. They might
>see most of the same moves, but playing styles will always go to the humans. You
>can hit a wall with a sledgehammer a million time to take the wall down, but if
>you hit it wrong a piece of the wall is going to take your eye out.
>
>When have you ever seen a computer lose a game and afterwards state it was due
>to mental fatigue? :)


 I don't disagree with any of the above.



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