Author: George Piles
Date: 11:18:25 07/31/02
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On July 31, 2002 at 12:06:07, Peter Skinner wrote: >On July 31, 2002 at 11:58:23, George Piles wrote: > >>On July 31, 2002 at 11:55:24, Peter Skinner wrote: >> >>>On July 31, 2002 at 11:41:23, George Piles wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I believe the Most vocal Critics has Been Silent, It is routine now for >>>>Programs to Get GM Norms even on relatively Slow machines. One would have to be >>>>a fool to say computers are Not GM Strength, since the evidence is Overwelming. >>>>I think it could be said with confidence that the top programs running on 500mhz >>>>and up are GM strength without doubt. I can't recall one "bad" result of the >>>>Computers in the last three years playing Humans. For those who claim that >>>>humans have only to get more experience against the programs and then the >>>>program results will get worst, i have this too say, "when will this happen" so >>>>far the computer results have Been consistent. Computers have won "far" more >>>>games then they have lost over a four year period. (more then enough time for >>>>humans to learn anti-computer methods}. >>> >>>I must be a fool then. I believe that computers are still behind humans at >>>tournament time controls. At time controls slower than tournament computer do >>>far better but that is where it stops. >>> >>>Wait until Kramnik absolutely destroys Fritz in October then you will see what I >>>mean. There is little doubt that Kramnik is going to win the match. The only >>>question now is by how much he will win. >>> >>>You can take a 500 MHZ computer onto ICC and play < 15 mins per side against >>>only humans and do very well. Extend that time control to >90 mins per side and >>>you will easily see the difference. Try it and you will see what I mean. >>> >>>Computers are getting there. They are not there now though. >> >> >> >> >> No we don't disagree, I too believe Computers are still behind Humans in >>Strength, but the Question was do they play at the GM level ? The answer is yes >>and has been proven time and time again by the Programs. > >Fritz is not near Kramnik's "level" therefore behind in strength. You take the >top 10 GM's in the world currently and the best program, and I can guarantee the >computer will not win the event. > >If the human has a bad series of games that is entirely possible. Humans tire. >Computers do not. > >Comparing a computer to a human is like comparing apples and oranges. They might >see most of the same moves, but playing styles will always go to the humans. You >can hit a wall with a sledgehammer a million time to take the wall down, but if >you hit it wrong a piece of the wall is going to take your eye out. > >When have you ever seen a computer lose a game and afterwards state it was due >to mental fatigue? :) I don't disagree with any of the above.
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