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Subject: Re: A move maybe Fischer or Petrosian would find, but not a computer

Author: John Merlino

Date: 17:14:26 07/31/02

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On July 31, 2002 at 11:20:10, Jeroen van Dorp wrote:

>[D]r7/1p2ppkp/6p1/p2n4/Pn6/1r1P1P2/1P1Q2PP/1K1R3R w - - 0 21
>
>Draw agreed.
>
>What does your program play in this situation?
>
>J.H. Donner, who died in 1988, was an avid opponent of the "chess playing
>calculator". They can't play chess, was his opinion. The same goes for women, he
>stated, because they "lack intuition". Inclined to react - don't feel obliged,
>he won't hear you anymore, and it is said that those not insulted by Donner
>didn't exist. So much for that.
>
>Recently a new Dutch edition of The King (De Koning - schaakstukken) - a
>collection of his columns in various Dutch magazines was published, and in one
>of the pieces from 1975 he tells the story about the above position.
>
>It's from a game between Browne and Genna Sosonko on Hoogovens 1975, and he
>agreed with Browne that the draw (a white queen against two black knights) tends
>to ridicule. Are those two knights really worth a queen?
>
>He then starts analyzing, and concludes it's a draw indeed.
>
>However, some months later he visits the Noordoostpolder, somewhere in the
>Netherlands (I'll be heading there tomorrow, that's why the piece caught my
>eye:)) and on a tournament there, in Emmeloord, some anonymous chess player came
>to Donner and asked him "what would black do if white would have played 21.Qc1?"
>
>Donner realized that this must be the solution and analyzes again; then he
>wonders if Fischer would have found the move, and is pretty sure Petrosjan would
>have been able to.
>
>Given his disdain for "chess playing calculators" it's maybe interesting what
>todays versions of them produce as answer. I put the position in Fritz 7 and
>watched the outcome.
>Maybe Donner was also wrong about women and chess.
>
>J.

Chessmaster 9000 (on a PIII-600) takes 2:02 to see Qc1, and the eval is similar
to most other programs (I can't understand Shredder PB's score....):

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	2.21	1537		21.d4 Rc8 22.Rc1 Rd3
0:00	1/4	2.37	6034		21.d4 e6 22.Rhe1 Nd3 23.Qxd3 Rxd3
					24.Rxd3
0:00	1/5	2.25	18211		21.d4 e6 22.Rhe1 Rc8 23.Rc1 Rd3
0:00	1/6	2.28	49488		21.d4 e6 22.Rhe1 Nd3 23.Qxd3 Rxd3
					24.Rxd3 Rc8 25.Rb3
0:02	1/7	1.80	140597		21.d4 Nc6 22.Rhe1 Rb4 23.Qc2 Nxd4
					24.Qc5
0:05	1/8	1.77	363756		21.d4 Nb6 22.Ka1 Nc4 23.Qe2 Nxb2
					24.Rd2 Nxa4 25.Qxe7
0:10	1/9	1.64	813952		21.d4 Nb6 22.Ka1 Nc4 23.Qe2 Nxb2
					24.Rd2 Nxa4 25.Qe5+ Kg8 26.Qxe7
0:35	2/10	1.13	2944234		21.d4 b5 22.Qc1 Nb6 23.Ka1 Rc8
					24.Qb1 Nc2+ 25.Ka2 bxa4 26.Rc1
					Nd5 27.Qxc2 Rxc2 28.Rxc2
2:02	2/10	1.69	10491679	21.Qc1 Nxd3 22.Qc4 Rxb2+ 23.Ka1
					N5b4 24.Rxd3 Nxd3 25.Qxd3 Rxg2
					26.Qe4 Rc8 27.Qxe7 Rcc2 28.Qe5+
					f6 29.Qxa5 Rxh2 30.Rxh2 Rxh2
2:34	3/11	1.63	13687740	21.Qc1 Rd8 22.Rd2 Nc6 23.Qc5 Nb6
					24.Qc2 Rb4 25.Qc3+ e5 26.Rc1 Rxa4
					27.Qb3
4:12	4/12	1.73	23143263	21.Qc1 Rd8 22.Rd2 Nc6 23.Qc5 Nb6
					24.Rc1 Nxa4 25.Qe3 e5 26.f4 f6
					27.fxe5 Nxe5

jm




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