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Subject: Re: Is The Computer\Grandmaster Debate finally over??

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 17:20:17 07/31/02

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On July 31, 2002 at 19:40:29, Russell Reagan wrote:

>On July 31, 2002 at 14:16:47, George Piles wrote:
>
>>  I think it is obvious you have not been following the discussions here on CCC
>>for the last three years, it is by no means "clear" that Computers are playing
>>at GM level to many at this Board, most notably Dr. Robert Hyatt and others. So
>>then I can't understand why you think I am posting something that is apparent to
>>all.
>
>Obviously! Since I haven't been a CCC member for three years, I would guess I
>haven't been following the conversation for that long, obviously.
>
>*** NEWS FLASH ***
>It was just discovered that CCC is not the only place people talk about chess!
>*** NEWS FLASH ***
>
>The point is, it is a fact that computers can now play at GM level. They can
>compete with GM's and they can beat them in matches. Therefore, it is a FACT
>that they can play at GM level. It's not a matter of whether or not some people
>disagree. It's not a matter of opinion, but a matter of fact. If someone
>disagrees with a fact, then their "opinion" isn't worth much is it?

You are correct. Facts beat opinions. But! If you think about this for a moment
you will understand that the term "facts" must be explained. And it's my
determined opinion (as it is a matter of fact in science BTW) that the factual
results of show events are not able to constitute facts, say that computers are
already at GM level. BTW Dr. Hyatt did _not_ just have the opinion, but he
relied on safe facts that in tournament mode it's not exactly GM level already.
Facts from observations on the net. Hope this helps to differentiate.

Rolf Tueschen



>
>Maybe Bob said something three years ago about how computers weren't at GM level
>yet. I wouldn't know. I wasn't a member of the only place on earth where chess
>topics are discussed, CCC.
>
>Russell



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