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Subject: Re: Hiarcs' GM norm?

Author: Sune Larsson

Date: 13:58:29 08/01/02

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On August 01, 2002 at 14:38:19, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On August 01, 2002 at 11:47:35, GuyHaworth wrote:
>
>>Did Hiarcs do enough to earn a GM norm, had it been carbon rather than silicon?
>
>For FIDE norms you have to apply to a number of things
>  a) the level of the games must be about 40 moves in 2 hours
>     and then 20 moves in 1 hour and then 30 minutes sudden death.
>I am not sure the level of the games applied to this FIDE time requirement.
>Also a bit faster than the above level is possible, but not much.

>
>  b) the opponents must get from foreign countries, but they may not be
>     all from the same country. At least 1/3 of your opponents must be
>     from the other countries. However you need to count yourself too,
>     so in a 9 round event you need 4 foreign opponents from different
>     countries
>I am sure this wasn't the case.



   The players came from Argentine, Uruguay and Brazil. Hiarcs
   played for Germany.


>
>  c) at least half of your opponents, same rule like in b (so counting yourself)
>     must be at least IM and at least 1/3 must be GM.
>Was this the case?


   4 GM, 5 IM out of 10 human players + Hiarcs.

   Sune

>
>  d) your TPR must be > 2600. We talk about FIDE tpr. You may count your own
>     rating here too, to get the tpr lower.
>
>  e) preferably 1 round a day, but at most 2. There are more requirements.
>
>  f) official arbiters and definitely not sold games.
>I am not sure it is possible to show this in this case. It is a vague
>rule of course, considering there are norm tournaments.
>
>  g) at least 9 games. Opponents without FIDE rating count for 2000.
>
>Ok then we didn't adress yet that computers don't have a FIDE rating of
>course. Otherwise human players would have an easy time to get a title
>by beating a few computers where they can ideally prepare for if they
>want to (regrettably in some respects they never do, because they don't
>get paid to BEAT the computer ever).
>
>The FIDE is very tough if one of the requirements aren't met. For example
>my club member and last year also team member Erwin l'Ami. He's 17 years
>old. FIDE 2438 rated.
>
>An IM norm of him wasn't recognized because from all the conditions, one
>wasn't met: there were 3 foreign players instead of 4 in the group of 10.
>
>It's possible he has a GM norm before he has his IM title...
>
>Best regards,
>Vincent
>
>>Does FIDE acknowledge such achievements, or not?
>>
>>How can Hiarcs (or any engine) accumulate norms over time ... by proving that it
>>is the same program that accumulated the previous norms ... given that ...
>>
>>Hardware/software combinations have a habit of evolving and might ... to quote a
>>phrase ... go down as well as up.
>>
>>g



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