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Subject: Re: Dan---question

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 10:32:42 08/02/02

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On August 02, 2002 at 13:19:20, Slater Wold wrote:

>On August 02, 2002 at 12:54:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>I stop the analysis.
>>Even at depth 14 Deep Fritz cannot see even one
>>single negative number.
>>
>>[D]r7/3nbpk1/4qnp1/4p1Bp/2P1P3/1pP2Q2/4N1PP/3R1R1K w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Deep Fritz:
>>
>>1. ² (0.63): 3.Ng3 Ra6 4.Rd5 Nb6 5.Qe2 Ra4 6.Rb5 Nxc4 7.Qd1
>>2. ² (0.59): 3.Rb1 Qxc4 4.Ng3 Rh8 5.Bh4 Rb8 6.Rb2 Rb6 7.Bg5
>>3. ² (0.41): 3.Nc1 Qxc4 4.Ne2 b2 5.Rb1 Qxe4 6.Rxb2 Qxf3 7.gxf3
>>4. ² (0.41): 3.Rd5 Nb6 4.Rb1 Nxc4 5.Bxf6+ Qxf6 6.Qd3 Ra2 7.Qxc4 Qf2 8.Rg1
>>5. ² (0.41): 3.Bh4 Qg4 4.Bxf6+ Nxf6 5.Rb1 Qxe4 6.Rxb3 Ra2 7.Rb7 Qxf3
>>6. ² (0.41): 3.Rd2 Qg4 4.Qxg4 hxg4 5.Rb2 Nc5 6.Nc1 Ra3 7.Kg1 g3
>>7. ² (0.28): 3.Rde1 Rb8 4.Ng3 Nh7 5.Bxe7 Qxe7 6.Rf2 Nc5 7.Qd1 Nf6
>>8. ² (0.28): 3.Rfe1
>>9. = (0.25): 3.h3 Ra4 4.Ng3 Nc5 5.Kg1 Rxc4 6.Rde1 Nfd7 7.Bxe7
>>
>>(Blass, Tel-aviv 02.08.2002)
>>
>>Uri
>
>Here's an example of a program seeing "right" for "wrong" reasons.

It still does not see right and has a positive score
for h3 that means that white should not lose.

>
>h3 was the move played by Brutus - Brutus is a pretty strong program, and is
>very unlikely to play "unsound" moves.
>
>However, in the original game it played h3 in this position.  DF after 14 ply
>can already tell you, h3 is _no_ good.  And it doesn't even have the right line.
>
>Make DF play h3 and you play b2.  Let it go 12 ply.  See what the score is.  I
>bet it is a lot worse than 0.25.


No

Even at depth 14 the score is above 0.25.


I use the Deep Fritz of the ssdf list that
came before Fritz7.

New position
[D]r7/3nbpk1/4qnp1/4p1Bp/2P1P3/2P2Q1P/1p2N1P1/3R1R1K w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Fritz:

2.Bxf6+--
  ±  (1.06)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
2.Bxf6+--
  ±  (1.06)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
2.Rb1!
  ±  (1.22)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
2.Rb1!
  ±  (1.34)   Depth: 1/8   00:00:00
2.Rb1 Rb8 3.Qd3 Bc5
  ±  (1.25)   Depth: 2/10   00:00:00
2.Rb1 Rb8 3.Bxf6+ Nxf6 4.Qd3
  ±  (1.03)   Depth: 3/11   00:00:00  1kN
2.Rd2!
  ±  (1.06)   Depth: 3/13   00:00:00  2kN
2.Rd2! Rb8
  ±  (1.16)   Depth: 3/13   00:00:00  2kN
2.Rd2 Rb8 3.Rb1 Ba3
  ±  (1.31)   Depth: 4/17   00:00:00  6kN
2.Rd2 Rb8 3.Rb1 Ba3 4.Qd3
  ±  (1.13)   Depth: 5/26   00:00:00  15kN
2.Rd2 Ba3 3.Bxf6+ Nxf6 4.c5 Qc6 5.Ng3
  ±  (1.16)   Depth: 6/25   00:00:00  57kN
2.Rd2 Rb8 3.Rb1 Ba3 4.Bxf6+ Nxf6 5.c5 h4
  ±  (1.13)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:00  153kN
2.Rd2 Rb8 3.Rb1 Ba3 4.Kg1 Qxc4 5.Be3 h4
  ±  (0.88)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:00  354kN
2.Rd2 Rb8 3.Rb1 Ba3 4.Ng3 Qxc4 5.Rf2 Rb6 6.Be3
  ±  (0.88)   Depth: 9/28   00:00:01  1234kN
2.Rd2 Rb8 3.Rb1 Ba3 4.Ng3 Qxc4 5.Rf2 Rb6 6.Be3
  ±  (0.84)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:05  3858kN
2.Rd2 Rb8 3.Rb1 Ba3 4.Ng3 Qxc4 5.Rf2 Nh7 6.Bh4 f5 7.Kg1
  ±  (0.75)   Depth: 11/31   00:00:12  8851kN
2.Rd2 Rb8 3.Rb1 Ba3 4.Ng3 Qxc4 5.Rf2 Nh7 6.Be3 Nhf6 7.Rd2
  ±  (0.75)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:28  20610kN
2.Rd2 Rb8 3.Rb1 Ba3 4.c5 Qa2 5.Rdd1 Bxc5 6.Bh4 Qe6 7.Bxf6+
  ²  (0.59)   Depth: 13/34   00:01:11  53770kN
2.Rb1!
  ²  (0.63)   Depth: 13/34   00:01:28  65346kN
2.Rb1! Rb8 3.Qd3 Ba3 4.Ng3 Ne8 5.c5 f6 6.c6 Qxc6 7.Be3 Nc5
  ²  (0.66)   Depth: 13/34   00:01:38  72177kN
2.Rb1 Rb8 3.Rfd1 Ba3 4.Ng3 Qxc4 5.Qe3 Rb7 6.Rf1 Be7
  ²  (0.59)   Depth: 14/39   00:04:48  201777kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 02.08.2002)

Uri



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