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Subject: Re: Hello from Edmonton (and on Temporal Differences)

Author: James Swafford

Date: 21:14:06 08/02/02

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On August 02, 2002 at 14:44:28, Peter Kappler wrote:

>On August 02, 2002 at 00:23:34, James Swafford wrote:
>
>>On August 01, 2002 at 23:52:39, Will Singleton wrote:
>>
>>>On August 01, 2002 at 22:17:04, James Swafford wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 01, 2002 at 22:12:27, James Swafford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You're serious? :)
>>>
>>>Sure.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I just got home from Edmonton.  Let me think on this...
>>>>>Six months is definitely not doable.  I graduate in December,
>>>>>and I've gotta hella course load this Fall.  But I might
>>>>>consider a 12 month wager.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you're serious, let me know, and then let me think on it
>>>>>for a day or two. I don't know if I want to take your money yet.
>>>>>(Are you talking about "Amateur" ?)
>>>>
>>>>Agh... you said "new player".  You do realize we live 2300-2500
>>>>miles apart, right?  I don't live in San Diego anymore. :)
>>>>But I'd sure like to visit on your dime...
>>>
>>>Brash.  But you won't be needing to come out to the coast again.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And yeah, I think open source is fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW... how big is your family? :))
>>>>>
>>>
>>>Just me, the wife, and 2 kids.  I'll try to get one of those "kids fly free"
>>>deals, so you won't have to hock the jewelry. ;)
>>>
>>>OK, one year it is.  I develop my new program, you do yours, and we have a
>>>match.  Sources to be reviewed by some independent person, like DC.  Perhaps the
>>>match should also be conducted by DC, say, 100 games at 40 5.  Or maybe at ICC.
>>>
>>>Just be sure to pick out a nice hotel for us.
>>
>>My family consists of my wife and me.  I'll bet airfare and hotel
>>accommodations for two, plus a nice dinner, drinks, whatever for the
>>family.  You'll have to fly the kids and put them up yourself.
>>
>>If that sounds fair, then let's talk specifics.  I play with an engine
>>with a completely TD trained eval, against your program with a completely
>>hand tuned eval.  The engine must be your (and my) own, of course.
>>I vote Dann Corbit to verify source.  Open hardware, since you're a Mac
>>guy and I'm not. :)  Match length is open for discussion.  I'd kinda
>>like to play (at least some of the match) on ICC.
>>
>>My wife is looking forward to going back to the west coast. :)
>>
>>--
>>James
>>
>>
>
>Hi James,
>
>This a cool bet, but it seems to me that the deck is stacked against you.
>You're trying a brand new technique, while Will is just rewriting what was
>already a pretty strong engine.

Yeah, I know.  But I'm cool with that.  I believe machine tuning is
the way to go, so I'll put my money where my mouth is.  I don't think
the odds are stacked against me that badly, and some other pretty
smart people agree with me.

Either way, gives me an excuse to meet someone I've "known" for a long
time.

--
James


>
>Anyway, I admire your confidence.  Best of luck!  :)
>
>-Peter



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