Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:38:07 08/05/02
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On August 05, 2002 at 17:57:14, John Merlino wrote: >On August 05, 2002 at 17:46:57, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 05, 2002 at 16:40:17, John Merlino wrote: >> >>>On August 05, 2002 at 03:10:07, Jouni Uski wrote: >>> >>>>[D]8/4rk2/1p2r3/1Pp5/2Pp4/1K1P4/2PQ4/8 w - - >>>> >>>>Crafty's evalution after 14 ply +1,56. >>>> >>>>Jouni >>> >>>Chessmaster 9000 says draw: >>> >>>Time Depth Score Positions Moves >>>0:00 1/3 -0.11 931 1.Qg2 Rf6 2.Qd5+ Ree6 3.c3 >>>0:00 1/3 -0.09 1210 1.Qg5 Ke8 2.Qh5+ Rf7 3.Qd5 >>>0:00 1/4 0.00 3468 1.Qg5 Ke8 2.Qd5 Kf7 3.Qg5 >>>0:00 1/5 0.00 10927 1.Qg5 Ke8 2.Qd5 Kf7 3.Qg5 >>>0:00 1/6 0.00 22026 1.Qg5 Ke8 2.Qd5 Kf7 3.Qg5 >>>0:01 1/7 -0.01 60257 1.Qg5 Ke8 2.Qg8+ Kd7 3.Qb8 Rf6 >>> 4.Qb7+ Ke8 5.Qd5 Rfe6 6.c3 >>>0:01 2/8 0.00 90638 1.Qg5 Ke8 2.Qd5 Rf6 3.c3 Re3 4.Qb7 >>> Kf8 >>>0:02 3/9 0.00 203356 1.Qg5 Ke8 2.Qd5 Rf6 3.c3 Re3 4.Kc2 >>> Rf2+ 5.Kb3 Rf6 >>>0:06 4/10 0.00 509136 1.Qg5 Ke8 2.Qd5 Rf6 3.c3 Re3 4.Kc2 >>> Rf2+ 5.Kb3 Rf6 >>>0:16 5/11 0.00 1401084 1.Qg5 Ke8 2.Qd5 Rf6 3.c3 Re3 4.Kc2 >>> Rf2+ 5.Kb3 Rf6 >>>0:42 6/12 0.00 3677032 1.Qg5 Ke8 2.Qd5 Rf6 3.c3 Re3 4.Kc2 >>> Rf2+ 5.Kb3 Rf6 >>>1:51 7/13 0.00 9804440 1.Qg5 Ke8 2.Qd5 Rf6 3.c3 Re3 4.Kc2 >>> Rf2+ 5.Kb3 Rf6 >>>4:49 8/14 0.00 25940648 1.Qg5 Ke8 2.Qd5 Rf6 3.c3 Re3 4.Kc2 >>> Rf2+ 5.Kb3 Rf6 >>> >>>jm >> >> >>The problem is that CM believes black is _losing_. And so will try to go for >>a perpetual. If the eval were a tad different, and it believed that white is >>winning here, then it would not see the repetition as it could avoid it whenever >>it wants with WTM... > >You mean "WHITE is _losing_" in your first sentence, right? > >You also mentioned (in a different post) that a queen is equal to two rooks, >unless "the rooks get doubled and cannot be separated". That certainly is the >case here, possibly leading to CM's concerns for White's game. > >jm Sorry... I have gotten used to Crafty's -=good for black scores and mis-read yours. In any case, I don't believe I have ever seen two rooks beat a queen when the two opponents were computer programs. The two rooks draw pretty easily, but if there are any chances to win, it lies with the queen. And as I said also, given more pieces, say a pair of bishops, I would prefer the queen to two rooks any day of the week...
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