Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 02:18:00 08/11/98
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On August 10, 1998 at 20:52:52, Mark Young wrote: >On August 10, 1998 at 20:10:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 10, 1998 at 19:10:40, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On August 10, 1998 at 11:34:11, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>On August 10, 1998 at 10:27:25, Mark Young wrote: >>>> >>>>>I'm sorry that the match will not be played yet. But the postponed match and the >>>>>cutting in the number of games in this match does not suprise me. What would >>>>>suprise me would be if he plays the match at all. It would take a lot of guts >>>>>for him to play a computer like ferret. But I'm sure the more he thinks about it >>>>>the more he thinks it was not a good idea to agree to the match. As he is not >>>>>sure if he can control the game against a computer that strong. And the risk to >>>>>his ego would be to high if the computer plays well with so little pay off. Look >>>>>at the hits GM Anand and GM Kasparov had to their egos after losing to >>>>>computers. I think GM Morovic will stear clear of this at all cost. >>>> >>>>This goes too far. I don't think this is the problem at all. I think any of >>>>these guys would do well against a computer. >>>> >>>>You don't know, I don't know, nobody knows, what would happen if Ferret played a >>>>GM at 40 in 2, but my money is on the GM. >>>> >>>>My money is on the GM against any micro at this time control, even those that >>>>actually tune for that time control, which I of course don't. >>>> >>>>Thanks for your support though, I enjoy hearing that from someone who has kicked >>>>my butt so many times ;-) >>>> >>>>bruce >>> >>>I agree with what you said. The money would favor the GM. But as you know >>>anything can happen in a match. And with so little pay off and GM Morovic having >>>no idea how strong Ferret will be. And knowing strong chess players minds >>>personally and though the history of grandmasters in general. I think its a fair >>>statement to make that he will not play. Because the risk to pay off is much to >>>low. I don't think he will risk being the first GM to lose a match to a micro at >>>40/2 with so little pay off. And the threat is real with him playing ferret and >>>I think he knows it. This is not is support of Ferret or you. Or an attack on GM >>>Morovic. Its just my best guess looking at the facts that I know. >> >> >>This is not terribly uncommon, unfortunately. A brief reminder.. A couple >>of months ago, Crafty was invited to play in a 4 player double round-robin >>on chess.net, game/30 (I believe, or something similar with an increment >>perhaps) with Roman, Christiansen, and Yasser. Crafty went 1.5-.5 vs >>Roman in rounds 1-2, then went 1.5-.5 with Christiansen in rounds 3-4. >>Yasser had identical results leaving both he and Crafty tied for first. >> >>He elected to not play Crafty, although he has played it hundreds of games >>spread over chess.net and ICC. I got the feeling it was because it was in >>a "public" place, as he said he'd love to play it some privately (he already >>had, of course) but not in a public event on a server. >> >>It's a "sign of the times".. I'm afraid... >> >>Note that I have no idea what kind of financial arrangement Roman had >>worked out to get them into the event in the first place. Wasn't quite >>good enough, obviously. :) > >Thank you. I did not think my conclusions were off base here at all. > >I had a similar thing happen in a privet match to with GM A. Ivanov. I asked him >if he would play Chessgenius 5 some games at 10 10 time controls. He said ok but >at a slower time control of 30 30. We played 1 or 2 games a day and Chessgenius >5 was killing him. After a few games GM Ivanov finally got Chessgenius 5 on the >ropes with a pawn advantage in the middle game. But Chessgenius 5 out played him >and was going to win the game. GM Ivanov instead of losing the game or resigning >just quit. He would not talk to me or finish the game. I finally had to ask GM >Roman to give the win to Chessgenius 5, as he was the only one who could do this >when playing a grandmaster on chessnet. He gave me the win. So I know first hand >how Grandmasters act when faced with playing a strong computer. That s why I >think the world of IM Commons. He is the exception to the rule. there are others... IE GM Bill Lombardy played hundreds of games at a long time control vs Crafty a couple of years ago, although I haven't seen him in the last year or so at least. But "long" games seem to be a problem. In fact, on ICC, many only play bullet to keep their games from going into the ICC database of games played...
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