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Subject: Re: A very difficult forced mate - can anybody find it? more...

Author: pavel

Date: 04:43:09 08/06/02

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On August 05, 2002 at 22:26:40, pavel wrote:

>On August 05, 2002 at 20:44:38, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On August 05, 2002 at 19:44:46, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>>>[D] 7k/ppb5/2p1b2K/3p3p/7P/N1P5/P4R2/8 w - - 0 5
>>>
>>>My engine cannot see it in reasonable time. When I analyze some variations from
>>>back to front, I see, that Rf8+ can announce mate in 15 (or even shorter?)
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dieter
>>
>>No luck with Chessmaster 9000 (on a PIII-600 -- although it did find 1.Bg6
>>instantly). Analysis begins after your above line:
>>
>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>0:00	1/5	0.19	9261		5.Rf6 Bg8 6.Kxh5 Be5 7.Rh6+ Bh7
>>					8.c4
>>0:00	1/5	0.26	11923		5.Nc2 Ba5 6.Rf3 c5 7.Kxh5 Kg7
>>0:00	1/5	0.34	15241		5.Rf8+ Bg8 6.Re8 Bb6 7.Kxh5 d4
>>					8.cxd4 Bxd4
>>0:00	1/6	0.38	24803		5.Rf8+ Bg8 6.Re8 Bb6 7.Kxh5 d4
>>					8.cxd4 Bxd4 9.Kg5 Kh7
>>0:00	1/6	0.39	30476		5.Nc2 Ba5 6.Rf3 c5 7.Kxh5 Kg7 8.Kg5
>>0:01	1/7	0.40	62359		5.Nc2 c5 6.Rf6 Bg8 7.Kxh5 Be5 8.Rh6+
>>					Kg7 9.Rg6+ Kh7
>>0:02	2/8	0.35	144997		5.Nc2 Kg8 6.Kxh5 c5 7.Rg2+ Kf7
>>					8.Ne3 Bf4 9.Rf2
>>0:05	3/9	0.35	363038		5.Nc2 Kg8 6.Kxh5 c5 7.Re2 Bf7+
>>					8.Kg4 Ba5 9.Re3 Bg6
>>0:11	4/10	0.38	819382		5.Nc2 c5 6.Rf8+ Bg8 7.Kxh5 Be5
>>					8.Ne3 Kg7 9.Rc8 b6 10.Rd8 Bxc3
>>					11.Nxd5
>>0:25	5/11	0.36	2005177		5.Nc2 c5 6.Rf8+ Bg8 7.Rc8 Bf4+
>>					8.Kxh5 b6 9.Na3 Kg7 10.Ra8 a5 11.Kg4
>>					Be5 12.Nb5
>>1:08	6/12	0.37	5730477		5.Nc2 Be5 6.Nd4 Bg8 7.Kxh5 c5 8.Ne2
>>					Kg7 9.Rg2+ Kh7 10.Rg5 Bf6 11.Rg6
>>					Bf7
>>1:37	6/12	0.49	8184302		5.Rf8+ Bg8 6.Re8 Bd6 7.Nc2 Bf4+
>>					8.Kg6 c5 9.Ne1 d4 10.cxd4 cxd4
>>					11.Nd3 Bd6 12.Kxh5 Kg7
>>4:17	7/13	0.40	21093210	5.Rf8+ Bg8 6.Re8 Ba5 7.Nb1 d4 8.cxd4
>>					Bb6 9.Kxh5 Bxd4 10.Kg5 b5 11.Nd2
>>					c5 12.Nb3
>>11:48	8/14	0.81	59423363	5.Rf8+ Bg8 6.Nc2 c5 7.Ne3 Bd6 8.Re8
>>					Bf4+ 9.Kxh5 Bxe3 10.Rxe3 d4 11.cxd4
>>					cxd4 12.Re7 Bxa2 13.Rxb7 a5 14.Ra7
>>21:48	9/15	1.15	112265721	5.Rf8+ Bg8 6.Nc2 c5 7.Rc8 Bg3 8.Kxh5
>>					Bf2 9.a4 b6 10.Ra8 a5 11.Rb8 c4
>>					12.Rb7 Bh7 13.Kh6 Bg8
>>
>>jm
>
>
I seriously doubt any program will see it reasonable time, though white would
win anyways, whether a programs see the mate or not.

New game
7k/ppb5/2p1b2K/3p3p/7P/N1P5/P4R2/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Crafty 18.15:

1.Kxh5
  +-  (1.76)   Depth: 1/4   00:00:00
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Kxh5
  +-  (2.16)   Depth: 1/4   00:00:00
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Kxh5 Kg7
  +-  (1.86)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:00
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Ra8 Bd6 3.Rxa7
  ±  (1.30)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
1.Rf6 Bg8 2.Kxh5
  +-  (2.16)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
1.Rf6 Bg8 2.Kxh5 Kg7
  +-  (1.86)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
1.Rf6 Bg8 2.Kxh5 Be5 3.Rf3
  +-  (1.86)   Depth: 5/12   00:00:00
1.Rf6 Bg8 2.Kxh5 Be5 3.Rh6+ Bh7 4.Nb1
  +-  (1.57)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  14kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Re8 b6 3.Kxh5 Bd6 4.Nc2 Kg7
  +-  (1.78)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  41kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Re8 Bf4+ 3.Kxh5 Kg7 4.Kg4 Bd6 5.Nc2 Bf7
  +-  (1.92)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:00  75kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Re8 Bf4+ 3.Kxh5 Kg7 4.Kg4 Bd6 5.Nc2 Bf7 6.Re3
  +-  (1.82)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:00  204kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Nb1 Bg3 3.Kxh5 Kg7 4.Rf3 Bd6 5.Kg5 Be7+ 6.Kg4 Be6+ 7.Kg3
  +-  (1.85)   Depth: 9/19   00:00:02  913kN
1.Nc2 Bg8 2.Kxh5 Be5 3.Nd4 c5 4.Nb5 Be6 5.Kg5
  +-  (1.92)   Depth: 9/19   00:00:03  1319kN
1.Nc2 Kg8 2.Kxh5 c5 3.Kh6 Be5 4.Re2 Bg7+ 5.Kg5 Kf7 6.Re3
  +-  (1.79)   Depth: 10/22   00:00:04  2157kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Ra8 Bb6 3.Nc2 Bf2 4.Kxh5 Kg7 5.Nd4 a6 6.Ra7 Bf7+ 7.Kg5
  +-  (1.86)   Depth: 10/22   00:00:05  2923kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Re8 a6 3.Nb1 Bd6 4.Rd8 Bc5 5.Kxh5 Kg7 6.Rd7+ Bf7+ 7.Kg4 b5 8.Kf5
  +-  (1.86)   Depth: 11/23   00:00:09  5102kN
1.Nc2 Kg8 2.Kxh5 Ba5 3.Rf3 Kg7 4.Nd4 Bd7
  +-  (1.98)   Depth: 11/23   00:00:12  6891kN
1.Nc2 Kg8 2.Kxh5 Ba5 3.Rf3 Kg7 4.Nd4 Bd7 5.a4 c5 6.Nb5 Bb6
  +-  (1.92)   Depth: 12/24   00:00:16  9063kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Ra8 a6 3.Kxh5 Kg7 4.Ra7 Bf7+ 5.Kg5 Bd6 6.Nc2 Be5 7.Rxb7 Bf6+ 8.Kg4
Bxc3
  +-  (1.94)   Depth: 12/24   00:00:21  12000kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Ra8 a6 3.Kxh5 Kg7 4.Ra7 Bf7+ 5.Kg5 Bd6 6.Nc2 Be7+ 7.Kg4 Be6+ 8.Kg3
Bc8 9.h5 Kh6
  +-  (2.09)   Depth: 13/26   00:00:29  16800kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Ra8 a6 3.Nc2 c5 4.Re8 b5 5.Rc8 Bd6 6.Rc6 Be7 7.Kxh5 Bh7 8.Rc7 Bf6
  +-  (2.03)   Depth: 14/27   00:01:04  36203kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Ra8 a6 3.Nc2 c5 4.Rc8 Bd6 5.Kg6 Be5 6.Ne3 d4 7.Rxc5 dxe3 8.Rxe5
Bxa2 9.Rxe3
  +-  (2.35)   Depth: 15/30   00:02:16  76968kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Ra8 a6 3.Nc2 c5 4.Rc8 Bd6 5.Kg6 Be5 6.Ne3 d4 7.Rxc5 dxe3 8.Rxe5
Bxa2 9.Rxe3
  +-  (2.75)   Depth: 16/32   00:06:42  225461kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Nc2 c5 3.Ne3 Bd6 4.Re8
  +-  (2.82)   Depth: 16/32   00:09:10  307786kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Nc2 c5 3.Kg6 Bd6 4.Ra8 Bf4 5.Kxh5 Bd2 6.Kg6 Bxc3 7.h5 Bd2 8.h6 Bxh6
9.Kxh6 a6 10.Rd8
  +-  (2.76)   Depth: 17/35   00:12:40  427935kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Nc2 c5 3.Ne3 Bd6 4.Re8 Bf4+ 5.Kxh5 Bxe3 6.Rxe3 d4 7.cxd4 cxd4 8.Re7
Bxa2 9.Rxb7 a5 10.Rd7 Be6 11.Rxd4 Kg7
  +-  (2.99)   Depth: 18/37   00:22:53  773942kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Nc2 c5 3.Ne3 Bd6 4.Re8 Bf4+ 5.Kxh5 Kg7 6.Nf5+ Kf6 7.Rf8+ Bf7+ 8.Kg4
Bd2 9.Nd6 Ke7 10.Rxf7+ Kxd6 11.Rxb7 Bxc3 12.Rxa7 d4 13.Ra6+ Kd5 14.Kf5
  +-  (2.85)   Depth: 19/38   00:44:41  1518471kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Nc2 c5 3.Ne3 Bd6 4.Re8 Bf4+ 5.Kg6 Bxe3 6.Rxe3 Bh7+ 7.Kf6 d4 8.Re8+
Bg8 9.Re5 Bxa2 10.Rxh5+ Kg8 11.cxd4 cxd4 12.Ra5 Bb3 13.Rb5 Bc2 14.Rxb7 a5 15.Rd7
  +-  (3.12)   Depth: 20/41   01:34:38  3214995kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Nc2 c5 3.Kg6 Bd6 4.Re8 Bf4 5.Ne1 b6 6.Nd3 Bd6 7.Ne5 Bxe5 8.Rxe5
Bh7+ 9.Kf7 Bg8+ 10.Kf6 d4 11.Rxh5+ Bh7 12.cxd4 cxd4 13.Rd5 Bg8 14.Rxd4 Bxa2
15.Rd7
  +-  (3.36)   Depth: 21/43   03:37:02  7226936kN
1.Rf8+ Bg8 2.Nc2 c5 3.Kg6 Bd6 4.Re8 Bf4 5.Ne1 a6 6.Nd3 Bd6 7.Ne5 Bxe5 8.Rxe5
Bh7+ 9.Kf7 Bb1 10.Rxh5+ Bh7 11.Kf6 d4 12.Rxc5 d3 13.Rc8+ Bg8 14.Rd8 Kh7 15.Rxd3
Bxa2
  +-  (3.74)   Depth: 22/45   07:59:03  16204668kN

(Mahamood, home 06.08.2002)


after 11 hours, time isn't updated in the analysis text.


cheers,
pavs



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