Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 11:09:02 08/07/02
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On August 07, 2002 at 00:05:45, Matthew Hull wrote: ><snip> > >>There are no such "proofs". There _are_ lots of opinions and claims, but >>that is a long way from a "proof". To date nobody has proven that the mind >>can do any more (or any less) than a finite-state machine... >> >>The computer may (or may not) do some things the same way as the mind. But >>the end results may well be identical. > >Your gifts, education and experience in this field are superior to mine in every >respect. If you've read the book and found it completely wanting, then I stand >corrected (and Dr. Penrose stands as a woefully impaired mathemetician). You >are the professor. > >Regards, >Matt > I didn't say I found it "wanting". I simply said that there is no _proof_ for some of the claims made in the book. That is what leaves me "cold" in the discussion at hand... Until someone definitively explains how the human brain does what it does, it is impossible to compare what we think it does to what the computer really does. IE we are just now discovering how "simple" man really is, as the genome project unveils more and more myths and tosses them out... >> >> >> >> >>>Anyway, that was my understanding of his argument. I've yet to see anybody >>>challenge his central thesis in any serious manner. One suspects there's alot >>>of intellectual capital invested in Strong AI for which this kind of news is not >>>welcome. >> >>You can't prove that which you don't understand, which means this issue >>of how the mind works and is it better or worse than the computer is an >>open question. And it will remain open for a _long_ time... >> >> >>> >>>BTW, chess, as we all know, _is_ a class of problem that _can_ be solved >>>algorithmically. A fact for which I'm sure we can all agree is quite >>>delightful.:-) >>> >>>Best regards, >>>Matt >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>>Matt
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