Author: Mark Young
Date: 09:54:18 08/11/98
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On August 11, 1998 at 05:18:00, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On August 10, 1998 at 20:52:52, Mark Young wrote: > >>On August 10, 1998 at 20:10:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On August 10, 1998 at 19:10:40, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On August 10, 1998 at 11:34:11, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>On August 10, 1998 at 10:27:25, Mark Young wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I'm sorry that the match will not be played yet. But the postponed match and the >>>>>>cutting in the number of games in this match does not suprise me. What would >>>>>>suprise me would be if he plays the match at all. It would take a lot of guts >>>>>>for him to play a computer like ferret. But I'm sure the more he thinks about it >>>>>>the more he thinks it was not a good idea to agree to the match. As he is not >>>>>>sure if he can control the game against a computer that strong. And the risk to >>>>>>his ego would be to high if the computer plays well with so little pay off. Look >>>>>>at the hits GM Anand and GM Kasparov had to their egos after losing to >>>>>>computers. I think GM Morovic will stear clear of this at all cost. >>>>> >>>>>This goes too far. I don't think this is the problem at all. I think any of >>>>>these guys would do well against a computer. >>>>> >>>>>You don't know, I don't know, nobody knows, what would happen if Ferret played a >>>>>GM at 40 in 2, but my money is on the GM. >>>>> >>>>>My money is on the GM against any micro at this time control, even those that >>>>>actually tune for that time control, which I of course don't. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for your support though, I enjoy hearing that from someone who has kicked >>>>>my butt so many times ;-) >>>>> >>>>>bruce >>>> >>>>I agree with what you said. The money would favor the GM. But as you know >>>>anything can happen in a match. And with so little pay off and GM Morovic having >>>>no idea how strong Ferret will be. And knowing strong chess players minds >>>>personally and though the history of grandmasters in general. I think its a fair >>>>statement to make that he will not play. Because the risk to pay off is much to >>>>low. I don't think he will risk being the first GM to lose a match to a micro at >>>>40/2 with so little pay off. And the threat is real with him playing ferret and >>>>I think he knows it. This is not is support of Ferret or you. Or an attack on GM >>>>Morovic. Its just my best guess looking at the facts that I know. >>> >>> >>>This is not terribly uncommon, unfortunately. A brief reminder.. A couple >>>of months ago, Crafty was invited to play in a 4 player double round-robin >>>on chess.net, game/30 (I believe, or something similar with an increment >>>perhaps) with Roman, Christiansen, and Yasser. Crafty went 1.5-.5 vs >>>Roman in rounds 1-2, then went 1.5-.5 with Christiansen in rounds 3-4. >>>Yasser had identical results leaving both he and Crafty tied for first. >>> >>>He elected to not play Crafty, although he has played it hundreds of games >>>spread over chess.net and ICC. I got the feeling it was because it was in >>>a "public" place, as he said he'd love to play it some privately (he already >>>had, of course) but not in a public event on a server. >>> >>>It's a "sign of the times".. I'm afraid... >>> >>>Note that I have no idea what kind of financial arrangement Roman had >>>worked out to get them into the event in the first place. Wasn't quite >>>good enough, obviously. :) >> >>Thank you. I did not think my conclusions were off base here at all. >> >>I had a similar thing happen in a privet match to with GM A. Ivanov. I asked him >>if he would play Chessgenius 5 some games at 10 10 time controls. He said ok but >>at a slower time control of 30 30. We played 1 or 2 games a day and Chessgenius >>5 was killing him. After a few games GM Ivanov finally got Chessgenius 5 on the >>ropes with a pawn advantage in the middle game. But Chessgenius 5 out played him >>and was going to win the game. GM Ivanov instead of losing the game or resigning >>just quit. He would not talk to me or finish the game. I finally had to ask GM >>Roman to give the win to Chessgenius 5, as he was the only one who could do this >>when playing a grandmaster on chessnet. He gave me the win. So I know first hand >>how Grandmasters act when faced with playing a strong computer. That s why I >>think the world of IM Commons. He is the exception to the rule. > > >there are others... IE GM Bill Lombardy played hundreds of games at a long >time control vs Crafty a couple of years ago, although I haven't seen him in >the last year or so at least. But "long" games seem to be a problem. In fact, >on ICC, many only play bullet to keep their games from going into the ICC >database of games played... Has Crafty Played GM Michael Rohde? This grandmaster is the strongest player I have seen when it comes to playing computers. I have plus scores against all other grandmaster I have played. Like Kaidanov, Dlugy, Shirov, Christiansen, Dzindzichashvili, A. Ivanov. All Great grandmaster, but the only one I have not been able to beat is GM Rohde. He eats up all the programs I have played against him. So as of this date I have not a single win playing GM Rohdes. If Ferret wants a good test playing a Grandmaster this is the guy to get. I think he has no fear of computers.
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