Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:07:25 08/11/98
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On August 11, 1998 at 12:54:18, Mark Young wrote: >On August 11, 1998 at 05:18:00, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 10, 1998 at 20:52:52, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On August 10, 1998 at 20:10:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On August 10, 1998 at 19:10:40, Mark Young wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 10, 1998 at 11:34:11, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On August 10, 1998 at 10:27:25, Mark Young wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I'm sorry that the match will not be played yet. But the postponed match and the >>>>>>>cutting in the number of games in this match does not suprise me. What would >>>>>>>suprise me would be if he plays the match at all. It would take a lot of guts >>>>>>>for him to play a computer like ferret. But I'm sure the more he thinks about it >>>>>>>the more he thinks it was not a good idea to agree to the match. As he is not >>>>>>>sure if he can control the game against a computer that strong. And the risk to >>>>>>>his ego would be to high if the computer plays well with so little pay off. Look >>>>>>>at the hits GM Anand and GM Kasparov had to their egos after losing to >>>>>>>computers. I think GM Morovic will stear clear of this at all cost. >>>>>> >>>>>>This goes too far. I don't think this is the problem at all. I think any of >>>>>>these guys would do well against a computer. >>>>>> >>>>>>You don't know, I don't know, nobody knows, what would happen if Ferret played a >>>>>>GM at 40 in 2, but my money is on the GM. >>>>>> >>>>>>My money is on the GM against any micro at this time control, even those that >>>>>>actually tune for that time control, which I of course don't. >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for your support though, I enjoy hearing that from someone who has kicked >>>>>>my butt so many times ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>>bruce >>>>> >>>>>I agree with what you said. The money would favor the GM. But as you know >>>>>anything can happen in a match. And with so little pay off and GM Morovic having >>>>>no idea how strong Ferret will be. And knowing strong chess players minds >>>>>personally and though the history of grandmasters in general. I think its a fair >>>>>statement to make that he will not play. Because the risk to pay off is much to >>>>>low. I don't think he will risk being the first GM to lose a match to a micro at >>>>>40/2 with so little pay off. And the threat is real with him playing ferret and >>>>>I think he knows it. This is not is support of Ferret or you. Or an attack on GM >>>>>Morovic. Its just my best guess looking at the facts that I know. >>>> >>>> >>>>This is not terribly uncommon, unfortunately. A brief reminder.. A couple >>>>of months ago, Crafty was invited to play in a 4 player double round-robin >>>>on chess.net, game/30 (I believe, or something similar with an increment >>>>perhaps) with Roman, Christiansen, and Yasser. Crafty went 1.5-.5 vs >>>>Roman in rounds 1-2, then went 1.5-.5 with Christiansen in rounds 3-4. >>>>Yasser had identical results leaving both he and Crafty tied for first. >>>> >>>>He elected to not play Crafty, although he has played it hundreds of games >>>>spread over chess.net and ICC. I got the feeling it was because it was in >>>>a "public" place, as he said he'd love to play it some privately (he already >>>>had, of course) but not in a public event on a server. >>>> >>>>It's a "sign of the times".. I'm afraid... >>>> >>>>Note that I have no idea what kind of financial arrangement Roman had >>>>worked out to get them into the event in the first place. Wasn't quite >>>>good enough, obviously. :) >>> >>>Thank you. I did not think my conclusions were off base here at all. >>> >>>I had a similar thing happen in a privet match to with GM A. Ivanov. I asked him >>>if he would play Chessgenius 5 some games at 10 10 time controls. He said ok but >>>at a slower time control of 30 30. We played 1 or 2 games a day and Chessgenius >>>5 was killing him. After a few games GM Ivanov finally got Chessgenius 5 on the >>>ropes with a pawn advantage in the middle game. But Chessgenius 5 out played him >>>and was going to win the game. GM Ivanov instead of losing the game or resigning >>>just quit. He would not talk to me or finish the game. I finally had to ask GM >>>Roman to give the win to Chessgenius 5, as he was the only one who could do this >>>when playing a grandmaster on chessnet. He gave me the win. So I know first hand >>>how Grandmasters act when faced with playing a strong computer. That s why I >>>think the world of IM Commons. He is the exception to the rule. >> >> >>there are others... IE GM Bill Lombardy played hundreds of games at a long >>time control vs Crafty a couple of years ago, although I haven't seen him in >>the last year or so at least. But "long" games seem to be a problem. In fact, >>on ICC, many only play bullet to keep their games from going into the ICC >>database of games played... > >Has Crafty Played GM Michael Rohde? This grandmaster is the strongest player I >have seen when it comes to playing computers. I have plus scores against all >other grandmaster I have played. Like Kaidanov, Dlugy, Shirov, Christiansen, >Dzindzichashvili, A. Ivanov. All Great grandmaster, but the only one I have not >been able to beat is GM Rohde. He eats up all the programs I have played against >him. So as of this date I have not a single win playing GM Rohdes. If Ferret >wants a good test playing a Grandmaster this is the guy to get. I think he has >no fear of computers. I assume you are talking about "kc" on ICC? The answer is "yes"... In Blitz, Crafty is +8, -7, at time controls of 5 5 or so... (this from the search command on ICC). For bullet, which doesn't make it into the database, the result is +10 -3 =1... these seemed to be (as best I could tell) all 2 1 time controls... There are other good ones on ICC to, like Kaidanov, Shabalov, etc... Bob
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