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Subject: Re: Morovic-Ferret Postponed until September

Author: Mark Young

Date: 13:30:30 08/11/98

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On August 11, 1998 at 16:07:25, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 11, 1998 at 12:54:18, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On August 11, 1998 at 05:18:00, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On August 10, 1998 at 20:52:52, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 10, 1998 at 20:10:59, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 10, 1998 at 19:10:40, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 10, 1998 at 11:34:11, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On August 10, 1998 at 10:27:25, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm sorry that the match will not be played yet. But the postponed match and the
>>>>>>>>cutting in the number of games in this match does not suprise me. What would
>>>>>>>>suprise me would be if he plays the match at all. It would take a lot of guts
>>>>>>>>for him to play a computer like ferret. But I'm sure the more he thinks about it
>>>>>>>>the more he thinks it was not a good idea to agree to the match. As he is not
>>>>>>>>sure if he can control the game against a computer that strong. And the risk to
>>>>>>>>his ego would be to high if the computer plays well with so little pay off. Look
>>>>>>>>at the hits GM Anand and GM Kasparov had to their egos after losing to
>>>>>>>>computers. I think GM Morovic will stear clear of this at all cost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This goes too far.  I don't think this is the problem at all.  I think any of
>>>>>>>these guys would do well against a computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You don't know, I don't know, nobody knows, what would happen if Ferret played a
>>>>>>>GM at 40 in 2, but my money is on the GM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My money is on the GM against any micro at this time control, even those that
>>>>>>>actually tune for that time control, which I of course don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks for your support though, I enjoy hearing that from someone who has kicked
>>>>>>>my butt so many times ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>bruce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I agree with what you said. The money would favor the GM. But as you know
>>>>>>anything can happen in a match. And with so little pay off and GM Morovic having
>>>>>>no idea how strong Ferret will be. And knowing strong chess players minds
>>>>>>personally and though the history of grandmasters in general. I think its a fair
>>>>>>statement to make that he will not play. Because the risk to pay off is much to
>>>>>>low. I don't think he will risk being the first GM to lose a match to a micro at
>>>>>>40/2 with so little pay off. And the threat is real with him playing ferret and
>>>>>>I think he knows it. This is not is support of Ferret or you. Or an attack on GM
>>>>>>Morovic. Its just my best guess looking at the facts that I know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This is not terribly uncommon, unfortunately.  A brief reminder..  A couple
>>>>>of months ago, Crafty was invited to play in a 4 player double round-robin
>>>>>on chess.net, game/30 (I believe, or something similar with an increment
>>>>>perhaps) with Roman, Christiansen, and Yasser.  Crafty went 1.5-.5 vs
>>>>>Roman in rounds 1-2, then went 1.5-.5 with Christiansen in rounds 3-4.
>>>>>Yasser had identical results leaving both he and Crafty tied for first.
>>>>>
>>>>>He elected to not play Crafty, although he has played it hundreds of games
>>>>>spread over chess.net and ICC.  I got the feeling it was because it was in
>>>>>a "public" place, as he said he'd love to play it some privately (he already
>>>>>had, of course) but not in a public event on a server.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a "sign of the times"..  I'm afraid...
>>>>>
>>>>>Note that I have no idea what kind of financial arrangement Roman had
>>>>>worked out to get them into the event in the first place.  Wasn't quite
>>>>>good enough, obviously.  :)
>>>>
>>>>Thank you. I did not think my conclusions were off base here at all.
>>>>
>>>>I had a similar thing happen in a privet match to with GM A. Ivanov. I asked him
>>>>if he would play Chessgenius 5 some games at 10 10 time controls. He said ok but
>>>>at a slower time control of 30 30.  We played 1 or 2 games a day and Chessgenius
>>>>5 was killing him. After a few games GM Ivanov finally got Chessgenius 5 on the
>>>>ropes with a pawn advantage in the middle game. But Chessgenius 5 out played him
>>>>and was going to win the game. GM Ivanov instead of losing the game or resigning
>>>>just quit. He would not talk to me or finish the game. I finally had to ask GM
>>>>Roman to give the win to Chessgenius 5, as he was the only one who could do this
>>>>when playing a grandmaster on chessnet. He gave me the win. So I know first hand
>>>>how Grandmasters act when faced with playing a strong computer. That s why I
>>>>think the world of IM Commons. He is the exception to the rule.
>>>
>>>
>>>there are others...  IE GM Bill Lombardy played hundreds of games at a long
>>>time control vs Crafty a couple of years ago, although I haven't seen him in
>>>the last year or so at least.  But "long" games seem to be a problem.  In fact,
>>>on ICC, many only play bullet to keep their games from going into the ICC
>>>database of games played...
>>
>>Has Crafty Played GM Michael Rohde? This grandmaster is the strongest player I
>>have seen when it comes to playing computers. I have plus scores against all
>>other grandmaster I have played. Like Kaidanov, Dlugy, Shirov, Christiansen,
>>Dzindzichashvili, A. Ivanov. All Great grandmaster, but the only one I have not
>>been able to beat is GM Rohde. He eats up all the programs I have played against
>>him. So as of this date I have not a single win playing GM Rohdes. If Ferret
>>wants a good test playing a Grandmaster this is the guy to get. I think he has
>>no fear of computers.
>
>
>I assume you are talking about "kc" on ICC?  The answer is "yes"...  In Blitz,
>Crafty is +8, -7, at time controls of 5 5 or so...  (this from the search
>command on ICC).  For bullet, which doesn't make it into the database, the
>result is +10 -3 =1...  these seemed to be (as best I could tell) all 2 1
>time controls...
>
>There are other good ones on ICC to, like Kaidanov, Shabalov, etc...
>
>Bob

Still very good for a human near 50% a blitz time controls. I played 2 12 or
slower and he slice and diced me.



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