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Subject: Re: Unclear sacrifice?

Author: Gian-Carlo Pascutto

Date: 16:10:36 08/08/02

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On August 08, 2002 at 18:29:53, José Carlos wrote:

>
>  Today on ICC:
>
>[D]r3r1k1/3q1ppp/p2p1b2/1ppPn3/4B3/3P2PP/PPPB4/R2Q1RK1 w - - 0 18
>
>  In this position, my program played Rxf6. After a strange game, I believe with
>some blunders by white, it ended in a draw.
>  What does your program think? Is Rxf6 winning?

Deep Sjeng wouldn't play it:

Sjeng: go
Middlegame phase.
Time for move : 100000000
 2      -3     8      284  Bf5 Qc7 (0)
 3       9     8     1748  Bf5 Qc7 Re1 (0)
 3       9     9     3907  Bf5 Qc7 Re1 (0)
 4      -4     9     8868  Bf5 Qd8 Re1 Bg5 (0)
 4      -4    13    13087  Bf5 Qd8 Re1 Bg5 (0)
 5      -5    14    22774  Bf5 Qd8 Re1 Bg5 Bc3 (0)
 5      -1    18    50466  Qh5 Ng6 c3 Qd8 Rae1 (0)
 5      -1    20    67373  Qh5 Ng6 c3 Qd8 Rae1 (0)
 6     -15    26   106378  Qh5 g6 Qe2 Bg7 Bg2 f5 (0)
 6      -8    43   217509  Bf5 Qd8 Re1 Bg5 Bc3 f6 (0)
 6      -8    51   264031  Bf5 Qd8 Re1 Bg5 Bc3 f6 (0)
 7      -4    68   389033  Bf5 Qd8 Re1 g6 Be4 Bg5 Bc3 (0)
 7      -4    87   526563  Bf5 Qd8 Re1 g6 Be4 Bg5 Bc3 (0)
 8     -19   132   809466  Bf5 Qd8 h4 g6 Bh3 Nd7 c3 Bg7 (0)
 8     -18   217  1297545  Bg2 Ng6 c3 Be5 Rf3 Ne7 Re3 Qf5 (0)
 8     -14   288  1714302  Qh5 g6 Qd1 Bg7 Bg2 f5 Re1 Qd8 (0)
 8     -14   294  1749982  Qh5 g6 Qd1 Bg7 Bg2 f5 Re1 Qd8 (0)
 9     -14   443  2834500  Qh5 g6 Qe2 Bg7 g4 Qd8 g5 f5 gxf6 Bxf6 (0)
 9      -7   764  4996834  Bf5 Qd8 h4 g6 Bh3 Nd7 c3 Bg7 Bg2 (0)
 9      -7   902  5902616  Bf5 Qd8 h4 g6 Bh3 Nd7 c3 Bg7 Bg2 (0)
10     -16  1094  7203474  Bf5 Qd8 h4 g6 Bh3 Nd7 c3 Be5 Bg5 f6 (0)
10     -16  2352 14641702  Bf5 Qd8 h4 g6 Bh3 Nd7 c3 Be5 Bg5 f6 (0)
11     -22  6839 38724512  Bf5 Qb7 c3 c4 Bf4 cxd3 Bxe5 Bxe5 Qxd3 g6 Be4 f5 (0)
11     -22 10713 61136094  Bf5 Qb7 c3 c4 Bf4 cxd3 Bxe5 Bxe5 Qxd3 g6 Be4 f5 (0)
12     -30 15389 85074119  Bf5 Qb7 c3 c4 Bf4 g6 d4 gxf5 dxe5 Qa7+ Rf2 dxe5 Bh6
(0)
12     -28 18542 102994481  Bg2 Ng6 c3 Ne5 Qc2 c4 dxc4 Nxc4 Rae1 Rxe1 Rxe1 Qa7+
Kh2 Qf2 Rd1 Nxd2 Qxd2 (0)
12     -28 34132 189073316  Bg2 Ng6 c3 Ne5 Qc2 c4 dxc4 Nxc4 Rae1 Rxe1 Rxe1 Qa7+
Kh2 Qf2 Rd1 Nxd2 Qxd2 (0)
13     -28 37415 207878359  Bg2 Ng6 c3 Ne5 Qc2 c4 dxc4 Nxc4 Rf2 Ne3 Qd3 Nxg2
Kxg2 Rac8 Raf1 (0)
13     -28 64065 353246101  Bg2 Ng6 c3 Ne5 Qc2 c4 dxc4 Nxc4 Rf2 Ne3 Qd3 Nxg2
Kxg2 Rac8 Raf1 (0)

If I play it out, the score stabilizes at +1 after a while, so it thinks
it's unsound, but this may depend upon material evaluation as well.

Sjeng: go
Middlegame phase.
Time for move : 1410065408
 2     222     0      250  gxf6 Bg2 (0)
 3     216     0     1417  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 (0)
 3     216     0     3179  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 (0)
 4     190     1     4993  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Re1 (0)
 4     190     1     5803  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Re1 (0)
 5     202     2     9381  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Re1 Qd8 (0)
 5     202     2    14081  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Re1 Qd8 (0)
 6     193     4    31854  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Re1 Qd8 Bh6 (0)
 6     193     8    61588  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Re1 Qd8 Bh6 (0)
 7     154    16   115540  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 f5 Bxf5 Qd8 (0)
 7     154    27   180258  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 f5 Bxf5 Qd8 (0)
 8     179    42   278012  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 c4 Bxf6 Qa7+ Kh1 Qf2 (0)
 8     179    54   361808  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 c4 Bxf6 Qa7+ Kh1 Qf2 (0)
 9     177    73   478908  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 c4 Bxf6 Qa7+ Kg2 Qe3 Rf1 (0)
 9     177   109   763766  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 c4 Bxf6 Qa7+ Kg2 Qe3 Rf1 (0)
10     177   159  1077243  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 c4 Kg2 Qa7 Rf1 Qe3 Bxf6 <a5> (0)
10     177   295  2187999  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 c4 Kg2 Qa7 Rf1 Qe3 Bxf6 <a5> (0)
11     164   460  3288373  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 c4 Rf1 Qa7+ Kg2 Qe3 Qf3 Qxf3+ Rxf3
cxd3 Bxd3 (0)
11     164   788  5701678  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 c4 Rf1 Qa7+ Kg2 Qe3 Qf3 Qxf3+ Rxf3
cxd3 Bxd3 (0)
12     153  1253  8481449  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 c4 Bxf6 Qa7+ Kg2 Qe3 Qf3 Qh6 dxc4
Qd2+ Kh1 bxc4 (0)
12     153  2254 15263491  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 c4 Bxf6 Qa7+ Kg2 Qe3 Qf3 Qh6 dxc4
Qd2+ Kh1 bxc4 (0)
13     127  3392 21889441  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 f5 Bxf5 Qe7 Qh6 Qf8 Qxf8+ Kxf8 Kf2
b4 Bf6 h5 (0)
13     127  6901 44751317  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 f5 Bxf5 Qe7 Qh6 Qf8 Qxf8+ Kxf8 Kf2
b4 Bf6 h5 (0)
14     117  9295 58571036  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 Qe7 Rf1 f5 Rxf5 a5 Bf6 Qd7 Rg5 c4 c3
(0)
14     117 16216 104674129  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 Qe7 Rf1 f5 Rxf5 a5 Bf6 Qd7 Rg5 c4
c3 (0)
15     115 22583 141746514  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 Qe7 Rf1 f5 Qxf5 Rac8 Bf6 Qc7 d4 c4
c3 a5 (0)
15     115 43619 273189577  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 Qe7 Rf1 f5 Qxf5 Rac8 Bf6 Qc7 d4 c4
c3 a5 (0)
16     115 58577 353947767  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 Qe7 Rf1 f5 Qxf5 Ra7 Bf6 Qd7 Qh5 a5
Bf5 Qc7 c3 (0)
16     115 116561 697897294  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 Qe7 Rf1 f5 Qxf5 Ra7 Bf6 Qd7 Qh5 a5
Bf5 Qc7 c3 (0)
17     113 149568 879989976  gxf6 Qh5 Ng6 Bc3 Qe7 Rf1 f5 Qxf5 Ra7 Bf6 Qd7 Qxd7
Rxd7 Kf2 Ne5 Bf5 Rc7 Re1 (0)

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GCP



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