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Subject: Re: Its TIME to put GM V Computers to rest after October

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:55:40 08/08/02

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On August 07, 2002 at 19:40:01, Albert Silver wrote:

>On August 07, 2002 at 18:13:06, Mig Greengard wrote:
>
>>You are on to one of the new (?) directions in man-machine. Kasparov talked
>>about this with me and a few other people in New York a few months ago. Since
>>it's obviously only a matter of time before computers are invincible, the true
>>test is whether or not a human can win ONE game, not a set match. That concept
>>isn't being applied in this match, but he foresees that being the challenge in
>>coming years. As long as humans can still win a game here and there, the quest
>>will go on for chess programmers.
>>
>>Saludos, Mig
>
>The quest may go on, but will there be many programmers running so hard after
>it?

I believe "yes", speaking only for myself.  In fact, I am not satisfied
when I see a draw, much less an occasional loss vs humans on ICC.  I am
after _perfection_ in terms of match scores, if not in actual game moves.

:)




> After all, right now, it's still quite interesting to select different
>engines because they are still within reach, however how good will sales be when
>they are toppling 2600+ GMs 9 games in 10? Will the user really care about those
>extra 20 Elo points boasted by the manufacturer if no one can really make a dent
>in them before or after? I have my doubts personally. I don't think it will be
>the death of the game or anything so dire, but as to engines it's hard to say.
>There's time, but the horizon is looming IMO.
>
>                                            Albert
>
>
>>
>>
>>On August 07, 2002 at 14:50:10, Rex wrote:
>>
>>>We find the two best GM's in the world verses the top Chess Programs on the
>>>market.  This should and will be the FINAL result in determining who is
>>>stronger, Computers or Humans.  If the match ends equally, the win goes towards
>>>the computer, in my mind.  These two GM's should_go_for_the_kill and NOTHING
>>>less.....
>>>
>>>I only hope the GM's win.  This will give HOPE for the Chess
>>>programers/computers to work towards in the future.  IF the computer wins...Its
>>>over!!
>>>
>>>
>>>Rex



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