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Subject: Re: Money talks, bs walks

Author: Peter Hegger

Date: 18:34:17 08/11/98

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On August 11, 1998 at 16:10:36, Fernando Villegas wrote:

>On August 11, 1998 at 12:32:31, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>On August 11, 1998 at 08:45:19, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On August 10, 1998 at 21:09:41, Peter Hegger wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was saddened to hear about the Morovic vs. Ferret debacle. Without a decent
>>>>financial incentive it is proving difficult to attract strong GM's to play slow
>>>>time limit matches against strong micros. I would personally like to pledge $100
>>>>for every game that a GM can win in a 6 game 40/2 match against Ferret or one of
>>>>the other top six programs. Of course I will also pledge $100 to the
>>>>programmer(s) for every win their program can score. If enough people will
>>>>follow suit I'm sure we can interest a strong GM to tackle one of the better
>>>>micros. My only stipulation is that the match must be 40/2 and atleast 6 games
>>>>in duration. Any other takers out there?
>>>>Yours Sincerely
>>>>Peter Hegger
>>>>peterfh@lon.ionline.net
>>>
>>>I had the following exchange with GM Maxim Dlugy on ICC.  I was probably wrong
>>>to mention a specific figure, but I guessed that if some random guy was willing
>>>to come up with a hundred bucks, someone else might contribute another hundred.
>>>
>>>It might not be that hard to find a GM for a hundred bucks a point, since they
>>>don't have to put on a suit and leave their house to get they money.
>>>
>>>bruce
>>>
>>>-------------------
>>>
>>>aics% tell dlugy if you want to make a few bucks, you can probably get $200 a po
>>>int to play a computer a 6 game match at 40/2.
>>>(told Dlugy)
>>>aics% . some people i know are fishing for a GM to play some computer, any compu
>>>ter, they don't even care which one.
>>>(told Dlugy)
>>>aics%
>>>Dlugy(GM) tells you: that might be interesting
>>>aics% . i will mention this to these guys.
>>>(told Dlugy)
>>>aics%
>>>Dlugy(GM) tells you: ok thanks

Thanks Bruce
Looks like you've got the ball rolling already. I have no personal contacts with
any GM's so efforts like your's are valuable. Hopefully we will see a match come
to fruition soon
Peter
>>
>>It's interesting to tell what Shay had to say about this when we talked about
>>the planned Morovic match a few weeks ago.
>>
>>Shay was not impressed by the fact that Morovic agreed to play. He thinks there
>>are quite a few GM's around who would play such a match, and won't care much
>>about compensation or reputation. They are interested, or challenged, enough by
>>this to play it for its own sake. He named Eran Liss and Alon Greenfeld as GM's
>>who would certainly be available for this, and thought that Kossashvili, Yudasin
>>and Boris Alterman were also likely.
>>
>>It's hard to say how a GM would behave if it turns into a humiliation. Most
>>would behave well. Some won't.
>>
>>Shay actually disapproved of the informal nature of the Morovic match.
>
>Just a question: how should I behave to get a more "formal" organization? What
>is fomrla organization in the setting of a match engaged with a friend? I did
>what is in the power of a single citizen, even putting some money even when Ivan
>did  not ask nothing just and precisely to give the match the maximun
>seriousness, besides extorting promises from Ivan as much as you can do that
>with a friend and then, to create a pressure in him, posting here and there in
>order to get it public, etc, but anyway, no matter what, you cannot force a guy
>if circunstances are against. All this was organized -or tried to do so- on the
>ground of friendship, no contract involved, nothing to coerce.
>I am serious: if there is something I missed, just tell me to avoid failure next
>time.
>fernando
>
>
>
>He thinks
>>there is great public interest in these encounters, and someone organizing this
>>should try to get the maximum exposure and sponsorship possible. Once the public
>>sees this as a commonplace event, the potential will be gone.
>>
>>Amir



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