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Subject: Re: DB Jr analysis of Crafty vs CM5000 game

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 23:52:30 08/11/02

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On August 11, 2002 at 21:38:29, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 10, 2002 at 20:25:16, Michael Babigian wrote:
>
>>On August 10, 2002 at 20:07:12, Jeroen van Dorp wrote:
>>
>>>On August 10, 2002 at 17:41:18, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>You cannot decide based on one position that the latest PC software is behind
>>>>Deep blue.
>>>
>>>
>>>Isn't it tricky to compare dedicated hardware based Deep Blue with non-dedicated
>>>software based current commercial programs?
>>>What if a program like Fritz or so would be adapted or compiled to be used as a
>>>hardware configuration like Deep Blue?
>>>
>>>Just speculating, I don't know the answer.
>>>
>>>J.
>>I see what your getting at, but I'm not disputing the clever programming in
>>today's software.  I'm just noting the relative strengths between systems.  I'm
>>sure if Fritz could calculate as fast as Deeper Blue, it would likely play
>>better in a match.  I just don't think that the current level of "clever
>>programming" is yet enough to make up for the speed handicap.
>>
>>Mike
>
>
>This is _the_ point that goes overlooked all the time.
>
>DB was _very_ good.  _and_ very fast.  I wouldn't venture to speculate
>whether a commercial program might have a somewhat better search or not.
>But _not_ enough better to offset that huge computational speed advantage.
>And _no_ programming tricks are going to offset that speed either.

I am not going to argue about deep blue here but
I think that it is wrong to assume that no programming tricks
are going to offset speed difference of being 100 times faster.

I believe that the only reason that programs failed to do it
is that people failed to write the right program.

I think that the task of offsetting speed difference
is relatively easier when the hardware get faster because
better search algorithms can increase the difference
between programs at longer time control.

Uri



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