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Subject: Re: Crafty Bug?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:00:59 08/14/02

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On August 14, 2002 at 08:55:03, Slater Wold wrote:

>On August 14, 2002 at 03:22:54, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 14, 2002 at 01:01:57, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>White(1): setboard 8/8/3pR1P1/2k5/8/1p1b4/7K/8 b - - 0 67
>>>Black(1): go
>>>end-game phase
>>>              clearing hash tables
>>>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 3:00 (3:00)
>>>         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
>>>starting thread 1
>>>         (4)    8->   0.39   0.01   1. ... Bxg6 2. Rxg6 <HT>
>>>         (3)    9     0.48   0.01   1. ... Bxg6 2. Rxg6 <HT>
>>>         (4)    9->   0.73   0.01   1. ... Bxg6 2. Rxg6 <HT>
>>>         (3)   10     0.97   0.01   1. ... Bxg6 2. Rxg6 <HT>
>>>         (4)   10->   1.67   0.01   1. ... Bxg6 2. Rxg6 <HT>
>>>         (3)   11     1.70   0.01   1. ... Bxg6 2. Rxg6 <HT>
>>>         (4)   11->   3.55   0.01   1. ... Bxg6 2. Rxg6 <HT>
>>>         (3)   12     3.55   0.01   1. ... Bxg6 2. Rxg6 <HT>
>>>         (4)   12->   7.45   0.01   1. ... Bxg6 2. Rxg6 <HT>
>>>         (3)   13     7.53   0.01   1. ... Bxg6 2. Rxg6 <HT>
>>>               13    21.12     ++   1. ... b2!!
>>>               13->   2:49  -0.38   1. ... b26
>>>              time=3:00  cpu=307%  mat=1  n=242037717  fh=94%  nps=1342k
>>>              ext-> chk=29936339 cap=78644 pp=227271 1rep=1144737 mate=32723
>>>              predicted=0  nodes=242037717  evals=21110434
>>>              endgame tablebase-> probes done=239240  successful=53187
>>>              SMP->  split=778  stop=81  data=9/32  cpu=9:13  elap=3:00
>>>
>>>Black(1): b2
>>>              time used:   3:00
>>>
>>>#1 - You should see b2 wins pretty much immediatly.  Sure, 21.12 seconds isn't
>>>bad, but imagine this on a PIII 600!  -0.38 isn't very convincing either.
>>
>>I disagree.
>>
>>seeing that b2 is winning is not an easy task for programs.
>>
>>Here is some analysis on p850
>>with part of the tablebases(including KR vs KPP)
>>
>>Junior7 could not see it in a minute(I stopped it so I do not know if it is
>>faster than Crafty) when Deep Fritz also needed time
>>(faster than Crafty but Crafty is only an amateur)
>>
>>My crafty also needs depth 14 to find it under chessbase gui
>>and I do not find that amateurs like Comet are better and
>>at least CometB27 that is not very old
>>could not find it in 3 minutes when Crafty could do it.
>>
>>New position
>>8/8/3pR1P1/2k5/8/1p1b4/7K/8 b - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Junior 7:
>>
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1 b1Q 4.Rxb1
>>  µ  (-1.10)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1 b1Q 4.Rxb1
>>  µ  (-1.10)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  1kN
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1 Kd4 4.Rb1 Kc3 5.Kg3
>>  ²  (0.29)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  54kN
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  61kN, tb=3
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 12   00:00:00  81kN, tb=23
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 15   00:00:01  802kN, tb=285
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 17   00:00:11  8955kN, tb=1077
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 19   00:01:00  51656kN, tb=6118
>>
>>(blass, tel-aviv 14.08.2002)
>>
>>New position
>>8/8/3pR1P1/2k5/8/1p1b4/7K/8 b - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Deep Fritz:
>>
>>1...Bxg6--
>>  +-  (1.41)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
>>1...Bxg6--
>>  +-  (1.41)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
>>1...b2!
>>  =  (0.19)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
>>1...b2!
>>  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7
>>  =  (-0.13)   Depth: 2/5   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bh7
>>  =  (0.12)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
>>1...Bf5!
>>  =  (0.06)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
>>1...Bf5! 2.Rf6
>>  =  (0.03)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
>>1...Bc4!
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
>>1...Bc4! 2.Re8
>>  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
>>1...Bc4 2.Re1 b2 3.Kg3
>>  =  (-0.09)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
>>1...Bc4 2.Re1 b2 3.Kg3 Kd4
>>  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 5/10   00:00:00  1kN
>>1...b2!
>>  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 5/10   00:00:00  2kN
>>1...b2! 2.g7
>>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 5/12   00:00:00  2kN
>>1...b2--
>>  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  3kN
>>1...b2-- 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1 Bg8 4.Kg3
>>  =  (0.19)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  5kN
>>1...Bc4!
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  6kN
>>1...Bc4! 2.Re1 b2 3.g7 Kd4 4.Rg1
>>  =  (0.09)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  6kN
>>1...Bc4 2.Re1 Kd4 3.Rd1+ Ke5 4.g7 b2
>>  =  (0.12)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:00  12kN, tb=1
>>1...b2!
>>  =  (0.09)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:00  13kN, tb=1
>>1...b2! 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1 Kc4 4.Rb1 Kc3
>>  =  (0.06)   Depth: 7/17   00:00:00  17kN, tb=1
>>1...b2--
>>  ²  (0.37)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:00  44kN, tb=3
>>1...b2--
>>  ²  (0.37)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:00  45kN, tb=3
>>1...Bc4!
>>  ²  (0.34)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:00  46kN, tb=3
>>1...Bc4! 2.Re1 d5 3.g7 d4 4.Kg3 b2 5.Kf4
>>  ²  (0.28)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:00  52kN, tb=3
>>1...Bf5!
>>  =  (0.25)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:00  55kN, tb=5
>>1...Bf5! 2.Rf6 Bxg6 3.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:00  57kN, tb=5
>>1...Bf5 2.Rf6 Bxg6 3.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 9/17   00:00:00  73kN, tb=12
>>1...Bf5 2.Rf6 Bxg6 3.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 10/18   00:00:00  127kN, tb=36
>>1...Bf5 2.Rf6 Bxg6 3.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 11/20   00:00:00  259kN, tb=62
>>1...Bf5 2.Rf6 Bxg6 3.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 12/22   00:00:01  558kN, tb=114
>>1...Bf5 2.Rf6 Bxg6 3.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13/25   00:00:02  1493kN, tb=214
>>1...Bf5 2.Rf6 Bxg6 3.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14/27   00:00:06  4040kN, tb=481
>>1...Bf5 2.Rf6 Bxg6 3.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 15/30   00:00:15  10401kN, tb=1046
>>1...b2!
>>  =  (0.12)   Depth: 15/30   00:00:20  13175kN, tb=1688
>>1...b2! 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1 Kc4 4.Kg3 Kb3 5.Kg4 Ka2 6.Re2 Ka1 7.Re1+
>>  -+  (-1.44)   Depth: 15/33   00:00:31  21436kN, tb=2108
>>
>>(blass, tel-aviv 14.08.2002)
>>
>>New position
>>8/8/3pR1P1/2k5/8/1p1b4/7K/8 b - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Crafty 18.15:
>>
>>1...b2 2.g7 b1Q 3.g8Q
>>  +-  (1.53)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7 b1Q 3.g8Q
>>  +-  (1.53)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7 b1Q 3.g8Q
>>  ±  (1.13)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bh7 3.g8Q Bxg8
>>  µ  (-1.15)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7 b1Q 3.g8Q Qc2+ 4.Kg3 d5
>>  +-  (1.47)   Depth: 4/9   00:00:00
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 4/9   00:00:00
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 5/11   00:00:00
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  11kN, tb=15
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 7/15   00:00:00  19kN, tb=27
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:00  51kN, tb=55
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 9/19   00:00:00  156kN, tb=100
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 10/21   00:00:02  452kN, tb=239
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 11/23   00:00:10  976kN, tb=414
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 12/27   00:00:14  2648kN, tb=766
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 13/29   00:00:22  6593kN, tb=1513
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.01)   Depth: 14/31   00:01:45  20303kN, tb=4876
>>1...b2
>>  ³  (-0.39)   Depth: 14/31   00:02:40  48439kN, tb=9504
>>
>>(blass, tel-aviv 14.08.2002)
>>
>>New position
>>8/8/3pR1P1/2k5/8/1p1b4/7K/8 b - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Comet B27:
>>
>>1...Bxg6 2.Rxg6
>>  ±  (0.75)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
>>1...b2
>>  -+  (-2.19)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7 b1R
>>  -+  (-1.90)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bf5
>>  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:00
>>1...Bf5 2.Re8
>>  ³  (-0.52)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:00
>>1...Bf5 2.Kg3
>>  µ  (-0.83)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:00
>>1...Bf5 2.Re3 Bd3
>>  =  (-0.10)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
>>1...Bc4 2.Re4 Bg8
>>  µ  (-0.82)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1
>>  µ  (-1.02)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1
>>  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
>>1...Bc4 2.Re4
>>  µ  (-0.82)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
>>1...Bc4 2.Re4 d5 3.Re3
>>  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 4/12   00:00:00
>>1...Bf5 2.Re3 b2 3.g7 Bh7 4.Rb3
>>  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 4/12   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1 d5
>>  µ  (-1.17)   Depth: 4/12   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1 d5
>>  µ  (-1.17)   Depth: 4/12   00:00:00
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1 d5
>>  µ  (-1.17)   Depth: 5/12   00:00:00  11kN
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1 d5 4.Rb1
>>  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  17kN
>>1...Bf5 2.Re3 Kd5 3.g7 b2 4.g8Q+ Kc5
>>  µ  (-1.03)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  23kN
>>1...Bf5 2.Re3 Kd5 3.g7 b2 4.g8Q+ Kc5
>>  µ  (-0.76)   Depth: 6/14   00:00:00  36kN
>>1...Bf5 2.Re3 Kd5 3.g7 b2 4.g8Q+ Kc5
>>  ³  (-0.49)   Depth: 6/14   00:00:00  41kN
>>1...Bf5 2.Re3 Kd5 3.g7 b2 4.g8Q+ Kc5
>>  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 6/14   00:00:00  45kN
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1 d5 4.Rb1
>>  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 6/14   00:00:00  48kN
>>1...b2 2.g7 b1Q 3.g8Q Qg1+ 4.Qxg1+ Kd5
>>  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:00  58kN
>>1...b2 2.g7 Bh7 3.Re1 Be4 4.Rxe4
>>  =  (0.07)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:00  88kN
>>1...Bf5 2.Re3 Bxg6 3.Rxb3
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:00  126kN
>>1...Bf5 2.Rf6 Bxg6 3.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:01  174kN
>>1...b2 2.g7 b1Q 3.g8Q Bf5 4.Re3
>>  =  (-0.13)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:01  192kN
>>1...b2 2.g7 b1Q 3.g8Q Bf1 4.Qc8+ Kd5
>>  =  (-0.13)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:01  204kN
>>1...b2 2.g7 b1Q 3.g8Q Qb2+ 4.Qg2 Qxg2+ 5.Kxg2
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 9/17   00:00:01  331kN
>>1...b2 2.g7 b1Q 3.g8Q Bf5 4.Rxd6 Kxd6 5.Qd8+ Bd7 6.Qf6+ Be6 7.Qf8+
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:03  1008kN
>>1...b2 2.g7 b1Q 3.g8Q Qb2+ 4.Kg3 Kd5
>>  =  (0.14)   Depth: 11/20   00:00:09  2053kN
>>1...Bf5 2.Rf6 Bxg6 3.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 11/20   00:00:10  2223kN
>>1...Bf5 2.Rf6 Bxg6 3.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 12/22   00:00:13  2982kN
>>1...Bf5 2.Rf6 Bxg6 3.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13/23   00:00:24  6689kN
>>1...Bf5 2.Rf6 Bxg6 3.Rxg6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14/25   00:01:01  13676kN
>>
>>(blass, tel-aviv 14.08.2002)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>#2 - What's up with 13->   2:49  -0.38   1. ... b26  <//==- that?
>>>
>>>#3 - Any reason you can see why Crafty would take *forver* (even after this
>>>move) to see the win?
>>
>>The win is not simple without the relevant knowledge
>>that most programs do not have.
>>
>>Uri
>
>I only have 2 programs installed on my PC now, Crafty and DJ7.
>
>DJ7 saw it pretty quickly (on my system), I think somewhere around 10 seconds.
>

Interesting because Junior7 on my system could
not see it in a reasonable time.

Uri



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