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Subject: Re: any opinions on this

Author: Alvaro Jose Povoa Cardoso

Date: 15:18:24 08/17/02

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Please forgive my english.

>>This is quite off topic, but here it goes.
>>I'm not catholic, but I know a few things about the Bible.
>>To answer directly to your question the woman who rides the beast is the 'False
>>Religion World-wide Empire'. In the Bible it is represented by a whore because
>>she has been maintaining imoral relations with Earth's kings (or governments).
>>In History you can confirm this. Many times religion and politics had been
>>together, wich by God's opinion (expressed in the Bible) this is wrong.
>
>Where is this expressed in the Bible? Does it say specifically that this is
>wrong, or is this a conclusion drawn from a prophetic book like Revelation?

John 17:16
John 6:15
James 4:4 (Tiago in Portuguese)

And also because the true ruller of the world is...
1st Jonh's 5:19
Jonh 14:30

So witchever mundane faction someone might support, under _whose_ controle
someone really is?

The primitive christians denied politic jobs, as confirmed in "On the Road to
Civilization, A World History" (Philadelfia, USA, 1937) by A. Heckel and J.
Sigman, page 237 and 238

The first christians maintained themselves seperated from the State, as
confirmed in "The History of the Christian Religion and Church, During the Three
First Centuries" (New York, 1848), by Augusto Neander.



>>Just
>>take Jesus Christ as an example: When some jews tried to make him their king, he
>>run away. In fact that was one of the reasons the jews rejected Christ. They
>>were expecting a Messiah that would free them from Rome, someone that would lead
>>them to victory over the opressor (Rome).
>
>I don't think this is evidence that God is against religion and government
>mixing. Jesus simply meant something different when he said he was king and
>would save everyone.
>
>>By biblical standars the true religion should not be concerned with wordly
>>matters (politics,  army, pagan celebrations, etc).
>
>All throughout the old testament God is leading people in war, leading kings
>(politics), and so on. While political domination or domination by force (war)
>isn't something that should be striven for (by Biblical standards), I think it's
>an overstatement to say that God isn't concerned with those things.
>
>Russell

Yes, God led Israel in battle several times in order to conquer the land that He
had promised to them. Also he led Israel in military campaings in order to
eliminate people with depraved dids or that threatned Israel.




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