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Subject: Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ?

Author: Gian-Carlo Pascutto

Date: 12:08:49 08/18/02

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On August 18, 2002 at 09:06:02, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>   Kasparov proved that he can defeat programs at fast time controls when he
>defeated Deep Thought in a game/90 two games match in 1989. This program was
>weaker than Deep Junior is today, as it searched well over 2,000,000 NPS, but
>didn't have as much chess knowledge as Deep Junior.  He also defeated Deep Blue
>in 1996. This program is obviously much faster than Deep Junior is today, but in
>my opinion Deep Junior still has more chess knowledge than Deep Blue had back in
>1996.
>
>PS: It is hard to compare Deep Blue of 1997 vs Deep Junior of today, but in my
>opinion Deep Junior Chess Knowledge could make up for the difference of Deep
>Blue super calculating power of 1997.

How do you know all this?

How do you know Deep Junior has more chess knowledge?

I mean, we don't know what Deep Blue evaluated exactly (save a few things
that are published). We know *nothing* about what Deep Junior evaluates
exactly.

As a consequence, you can't possibly support any of the claims or
suggestions you make.

All of this talk about Deep Blue this and Deep Blue that is just pure
bullshit. Maybe Fritz 7 would kick its ass. Maybe Fritz 7 would get
its ass kicked. Maybe they're about as strong. I dont care either way
since Deep Blue doesn't exist anymore and it certainly doesn't look as
if it's ever going to play again. So why care about it? Why keep making
totally unfounded speculations? What's the frigging point? This kind
of discussion comes up about once in every 2 months and there has NEVER
EVER come anything insightful out. Instead, a lot of people are making
claims or saying things that they can never ever support, or even are
demonstrably wrong.

Mention the words 'Deep' and 'Blue' to anyone who works in computer
chess, and all sanity suddently grinds to a halt.

--
GCP



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