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Subject: Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:56:05 08/18/02

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On August 18, 2002 at 17:57:11, Chris Carson wrote:

>On August 18, 2002 at 14:50:19, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>
>>On August 18, 2002 at 12:48:02, Chris Carson wrote:
>>
>>>3.  There are a lot of tatical/strategic holes in DT games that modern
>>>commercial programs do not make.
>>
>>The commercial programs may have a lot of tactical/strategical holes
>>that DT didn't had. But we can't check those.
>>
>>>4.  Today's programs would crush DT.
>>
>>How can this possibly be 'an observation'. It's your personal
>>opinion, not a verifyable fact.
>>
>>>5.  The GM's that DJ, DF, CT, Rebel, Hiarcs, The King have played recently
>>>would crush DT.
>>
>>Same remark as last one.
>>
>>>6.  DT would have no chance in a match with a 2700 GM (today) that had 100
>>>games of preparation, Rebel played this GM even for 4 games.
>>
>>And again
>>
>>>7.  I am pretty sure I could crush DT today.
>>
>>And again...sigh.
>>
>>--
>>GCP
>
>Yes, this is just my opinion, post I was responding to voiced an opinion and I
>posted a different one.  However, DT did not score 2650 against GM's, I went
>back and checked the PGN's, they were FIDE/USCF rated and many were IM's and
>some FM's.
>
>I can live with differing opinions, but saying it is just my opinion, does not
>make it wrong.  :)
>
>Chris


Sorry but you are _wrong_ above.  The Fredkin prize rules are still available
on the net.  They _specifically_ required that a program produce a 2550
performance rating, over 25 consecutive games, against _only_ GM opponents.
No IMs.  No FMs.  _just_ GM players.  This doesn't mean that DT didn't play
FM/IM players in tournaments, but those games did _not_ count in the fredkin
prize committee analysis.  The rules said that the prize would be awarded
when 25 consecutive games at 40/2 were played against GM players and the
performance rating was 2550 or greater.  The DB team we free to pick any
25 consecutive games they wanted, but they could not omit any except for
those before the 25 they chose, or those after.

Please don't try to rewrite history.  The result of the Fredkin prize awards
is already well-documented...



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