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Subject: Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:41:12 08/18/02

On August 18, 2002 at 21:55:06, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 18, 2002 at 21:21:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On August 18, 2002 at 16:17:34, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On August 18, 2002 at 11:08:37, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 09:06:02, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>No for many reasons
>>>>  a) deep blue is old and how many old programs are still considered
>>>>     'good'?
>>>>
>>>>Even programs that reigned the world for 10 years (genius) completely
>>>>get butchered with x-0 scores nowadays.
>>>
>>>Genius is not losing x-0 unless x is very small.
>>>It is clearly weaker than the top programs of today but not so weak.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>against movei perhaps. Against DIEP it's 100% simply. 20Mhz preprocessor
>>dedicated genius getting 7 ply with 1000 move book
>>against 1 million move diep book getting 10-14 ply.
>
>I thought about genius on the hardware of today otherwise it is not fair to say
>"Even programs that reigned the world for 10 years (genius) completely
>get butchered with x-0 scores nowadays."
>
>
>It is software+hardware and not only the software.
>
>I agree that software+hardware of 10 years ago are losing x-0 against
>software+hardware of today.
>
>Uri


I don't even agree with that.  I played Crafty vs Cray Blitz, using 1992
hardware (a C90) and Cray Blitz won 7-3.  That certainly is _one_ example
where Vincent's statement is false...

Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 20:05:35 08/18/02
- Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 20:24:33 08/18/02
  - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 20:33:02 08/18/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 08:25:17 08/19/02
      - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 07:14:57 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 10:34:10 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 10:41:13 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 14:58:05 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Matthew Hull 12:26:36 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 14:16:41 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 14:59:41 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Chris Carson 13:29:48 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Matthew Hull 15:44:45 08/20/02

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