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Subject: Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 20:05:35 08/18/02

On August 18, 2002 at 22:41:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 18, 2002 at 21:55:06, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 18, 2002 at 21:21:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On August 18, 2002 at 16:17:34, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 11:08:37, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 09:06:02, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>No for many reasons
>>>>>  a) deep blue is old and how many old programs are still considered
>>>>>     'good'?
>>>>>
>>>>>Even programs that reigned the world for 10 years (genius) completely
>>>>>get butchered with x-0 scores nowadays.
>>>>
>>>>Genius is not losing x-0 unless x is very small.
>>>>It is clearly weaker than the top programs of today but not so weak.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>against movei perhaps. Against DIEP it's 100% simply. 20Mhz preprocessor
>>>dedicated genius getting 7 ply with 1000 move book
>>>against 1 million move diep book getting 10-14 ply.
>>
>>I thought about genius on the hardware of today otherwise it is not fair to say
>>"Even programs that reigned the world for 10 years (genius) completely
>>get butchered with x-0 scores nowadays."
>>
>>
>>It is software+hardware and not only the software.
>>
>>I agree that software+hardware of 10 years ago are losing x-0 against
>>software+hardware of today.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>I don't even agree with that.  I played Crafty vs Cray Blitz, using 1992
>hardware (a C90) and Cray Blitz won 7-3.  That certainly is _one_ example
>where Vincent's statement is false...


Vincent was talking about genius.

Genius with the hardware of 1992 is losing 10-0 against the top programs of
today with 2002's hardware.

How many games did Cray blitz with the 1992's hardware play in computer
tournaments?


I know that it did not play in WCCC of 1995 when Fritz3 became the world
champion.

I do not know about a single tournament that it played.

Uri

Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 20:24:33 08/18/02
- Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 20:33:02 08/18/02
  - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 08:25:17 08/19/02
    - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 07:14:57 08/20/02
      - Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 10:34:10 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 10:41:13 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 14:58:05 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Matthew Hull 12:26:36 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Uri Blass 14:16:41 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Robert Hyatt 14:59:41 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Chris Carson 13:29:48 08/20/02
        
        Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ? Matthew Hull 15:44:45 08/20/02

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