Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:24:33 08/18/02
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On August 18, 2002 at 23:05:35, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 18, 2002 at 22:41:12, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 18, 2002 at 21:55:06, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 18, 2002 at 21:21:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On August 18, 2002 at 16:17:34, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 11:08:37, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 09:06:02, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>No for many reasons >>>>>> a) deep blue is old and how many old programs are still considered >>>>>> 'good'? >>>>>> >>>>>>Even programs that reigned the world for 10 years (genius) completely >>>>>>get butchered with x-0 scores nowadays. >>>>> >>>>>Genius is not losing x-0 unless x is very small. >>>>>It is clearly weaker than the top programs of today but not so weak. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>against movei perhaps. Against DIEP it's 100% simply. 20Mhz preprocessor >>>>dedicated genius getting 7 ply with 1000 move book >>>>against 1 million move diep book getting 10-14 ply. >>> >>>I thought about genius on the hardware of today otherwise it is not fair to say >>>"Even programs that reigned the world for 10 years (genius) completely >>>get butchered with x-0 scores nowadays." >>> >>> >>>It is software+hardware and not only the software. >>> >>>I agree that software+hardware of 10 years ago are losing x-0 against >>>software+hardware of today. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>I don't even agree with that. I played Crafty vs Cray Blitz, using 1992 >>hardware (a C90) and Cray Blitz won 7-3. That certainly is _one_ example >>where Vincent's statement is false... > > >Vincent was talking about genius. > >Genius with the hardware of 1992 is losing 10-0 against the top programs of >today with 2002's hardware. > >How many games did Cray blitz with the 1992's hardware play in computer >tournaments? > at least 15. We played in 1992, 1993 and 1994 ACM events... > >I know that it did not play in WCCC of 1995 when Fritz3 became the world >champion. > >I do not know about a single tournament that it played. > Now you do. I just gave you three. Last one was 1994 in Cape May New Jersey. Won by Deep Thought. >Uri
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