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Subject: Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:24:33 08/18/02

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On August 18, 2002 at 23:05:35, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 18, 2002 at 22:41:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On August 18, 2002 at 21:55:06, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On August 18, 2002 at 21:21:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 16:17:34, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 11:08:37, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 09:06:02, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No for many reasons
>>>>>>  a) deep blue is old and how many old programs are still considered
>>>>>>     'good'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Even programs that reigned the world for 10 years (genius) completely
>>>>>>get butchered with x-0 scores nowadays.
>>>>>
>>>>>Genius is not losing x-0 unless x is very small.
>>>>>It is clearly weaker than the top programs of today but not so weak.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>against movei perhaps. Against DIEP it's 100% simply. 20Mhz preprocessor
>>>>dedicated genius getting 7 ply with 1000 move book
>>>>against 1 million move diep book getting 10-14 ply.
>>>
>>>I thought about genius on the hardware of today otherwise it is not fair to say
>>>"Even programs that reigned the world for 10 years (genius) completely
>>>get butchered with x-0 scores nowadays."
>>>
>>>
>>>It is software+hardware and not only the software.
>>>
>>>I agree that software+hardware of 10 years ago are losing x-0 against
>>>software+hardware of today.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>I don't even agree with that.  I played Crafty vs Cray Blitz, using 1992
>>hardware (a C90) and Cray Blitz won 7-3.  That certainly is _one_ example
>>where Vincent's statement is false...
>
>
>Vincent was talking about genius.
>
>Genius with the hardware of 1992 is losing 10-0 against the top programs of
>today with 2002's hardware.
>
>How many games did Cray blitz with the 1992's hardware play in computer
>tournaments?
>

at least 15.  We played in 1992, 1993 and 1994 ACM events...

>
>I know that it did not play in WCCC of 1995 when Fritz3 became the world
>champion.
>
>I do not know about a single tournament that it played.
>

Now you do.  I just gave you three.  Last one was 1994 in Cape May New
Jersey.  Won by Deep Thought.



>Uri



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