Author: Uri Blass
Date: 20:33:02 08/18/02
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On August 18, 2002 at 23:24:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On August 18, 2002 at 23:05:35, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On August 18, 2002 at 22:41:12, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On August 18, 2002 at 21:55:06, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On August 18, 2002 at 21:21:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 16:17:34, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 11:08:37, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 09:06:02, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No for many reasons >>>>>>> a) deep blue is old and how many old programs are still considered >>>>>>> 'good'? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Even programs that reigned the world for 10 years (genius) completely >>>>>>>get butchered with x-0 scores nowadays. >>>>>> >>>>>>Genius is not losing x-0 unless x is very small. >>>>>>It is clearly weaker than the top programs of today but not so weak. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>against movei perhaps. Against DIEP it's 100% simply. 20Mhz preprocessor >>>>>dedicated genius getting 7 ply with 1000 move book >>>>>against 1 million move diep book getting 10-14 ply. >>>> >>>>I thought about genius on the hardware of today otherwise it is not fair to say >>>>"Even programs that reigned the world for 10 years (genius) completely >>>>get butchered with x-0 scores nowadays." >>>> >>>> >>>>It is software+hardware and not only the software. >>>> >>>>I agree that software+hardware of 10 years ago are losing x-0 against >>>>software+hardware of today. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>I don't even agree with that. I played Crafty vs Cray Blitz, using 1992 >>>hardware (a C90) and Cray Blitz won 7-3. That certainly is _one_ example >>>where Vincent's statement is false... >> >> >>Vincent was talking about genius. >> >>Genius with the hardware of 1992 is losing 10-0 against the top programs of >>today with 2002's hardware. >> >>How many games did Cray blitz with the 1992's hardware play in computer >>tournaments? >> > >at least 15. We played in 1992, 1993 and 1994 ACM events... > >> >>I know that it did not play in WCCC of 1995 when Fritz3 became the world >>champion. >> >>I do not know about a single tournament that it played. >> > >Now you do. I just gave you three. Last one was 1994 in Cape May New >Jersey. Won by Deep Thought. I understand that it played only a single game against deep thought and a program may lose a single game and be significantly better than the opponent. I believe that it was signifcantly better than deep thought inspite of the single loss. Uri
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