Author: Mark Schreiber
Date: 21:29:06 08/18/02
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On August 18, 2002 at 21:56:05, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On August 18, 2002 at 17:57:11, Chris Carson wrote: > >>On August 18, 2002 at 14:50:19, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >> >>>On August 18, 2002 at 12:48:02, Chris Carson wrote: >>> >>>>3. There are a lot of tatical/strategic holes in DT games that modern >>>>commercial programs do not make. >>> >>>The commercial programs may have a lot of tactical/strategical holes >>>that DT didn't had. But we can't check those. >>> >>>>4. Today's programs would crush DT. >>> >>>How can this possibly be 'an observation'. It's your personal >>>opinion, not a verifyable fact. >>> >>>>5. The GM's that DJ, DF, CT, Rebel, Hiarcs, The King have played recently >>>>would crush DT. >>> >>>Same remark as last one. >>> >>>>6. DT would have no chance in a match with a 2700 GM (today) that had 100 >>>>games of preparation, Rebel played this GM even for 4 games. >>> >>>And again >>> >>>>7. I am pretty sure I could crush DT today. >>> >>>And again...sigh. >>> >>>-- >>>GCP >> >>Yes, this is just my opinion, post I was responding to voiced an opinion and I >>posted a different one. However, DT did not score 2650 against GM's, I went >>back and checked the PGN's, they were FIDE/USCF rated and many were IM's and >>some FM's. >> >>I can live with differing opinions, but saying it is just my opinion, does not >>make it wrong. :) >> >>Chris > > >Sorry but you are _wrong_ above. The Fredkin prize rules are still available >on the net. They _specifically_ required that a program produce a 2550 >performance rating, over 25 consecutive games, against _only_ GM opponents. >No IMs. No FMs. _just_ GM players. This doesn't mean that DT didn't play >FM/IM players in tournaments, but those games did _not_ count in the fredkin >prize committee analysis. The rules said that the prize would be awarded >when 25 consecutive games at 40/2 were played against GM players and the >performance rating was 2550 or greater. The DB team we free to pick any >25 consecutive games they wanted, but they could not omit any except for >those before the 25 they chose, or those after. > >Please don't try to rewrite history. The result of the Fredkin prize awards >is already well-documented... With hindsight the Fredkin prize turned out to be a fraud. The Fredkin prize was awarded to the deep blue team for beating Kasparov after only 6 games. What happened to the 25 games? What a disgrace! The $10,000 prize needed 25 games why not the $100,000 prize? To prove you are a World Champion should take at least as many games as proving you are a Grandmaster. Kasparov was willing to play again. IBM knew they could not beat Kasparov again. The $100,000 award should have waited till they won 25 games. Mark
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