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Subject: Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ?

Author: Chris Carson

Date: 06:12:31 08/19/02

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On August 18, 2002 at 21:51:35, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 18, 2002 at 12:48:02, Chris Carson wrote:
>
>>On August 18, 2002 at 10:38:19, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>How would you figure that?  Deep Thought produced a 2650 rating over 25
>>>consecutive 40/2hr games against GM players.  Anybody else done that yet?
>>>Not that I have seen.
>>>
>>
>>Deep Thought was a great piece of HW/SW for it's time.  Just a few observations
>>when comparing to today's program:
>>
>>1.  DT did that aginst GM's with average ELO of 2475 (not very strong for GM's).
>>
>>2.  DT played against GM's that had far less experience (none) using
>>anti-computer tatics.
>>
>>3.  There are a lot of tatical/strategic holes in DT games that modern
>>commercial programs do not make.
>>
>>4.  Today's programs would crush DT.
>>
>>5.  The GM's that DJ, DF, CT, Rebel, Hiarcs, The King have played recently would
>>crush DT.
>>
>>6.  DT would have no chance in a match with a 2700 GM (today) that had 100 games
>>of preparation, Rebel played this GM even for 4 games.
>>
>>7.  I am pretty sure I could crush DT today.
>>
>>Chris
>
>
>I can't prove anything about deep thought, but I'll offer you a chance to
>put up or shut up on point 7.  Deep Thought easily beat Cray Blitz every time
>we played (except for the first, where we could have won had we not run into
>a serious bug).  Cray Blitz waxed Crafty in a 10 game match last year.
>That means _you_ should be able to wax crafty on my quad xeon easily if you
>could crush deep thought.
>
>Let me know when you are ready to "take the test".
>
>I don't believe you can do it for a minute...
>
>But the ball is in your court to accept the challenge...

Here are all the PGN's for DT and DB.  Cherry pick any you like.  I do not think
DT/DB or HSU needs the help, their accomplishments were very good, but no need
to make them out to be better than today's programs or mis-represent them, you
do more harm than help.

Here are the ELO's against FIDE rated players for DT/DB and Commercials, the
commercials have passed DT and DB96 ELO performance, DB97 will fall when it
falls:

PGN's:  http://home.interact.se/~w100107/welcome.htm

Ratings HvC: http://home.interact.se/~w100107/manmachine.htm

I am done discussing this with you unless you can "show with PGN's" something
different.

Chris



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