Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 08:25:17 08/19/02
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On August 18, 2002 at 23:33:02, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 18, 2002 at 23:24:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 18, 2002 at 23:05:35, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 18, 2002 at 22:41:12, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On August 18, 2002 at 21:55:06, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 21:21:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 16:17:34, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 11:08:37, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On August 18, 2002 at 09:06:02, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>No for many reasons >>>>>>>> a) deep blue is old and how many old programs are still considered >>>>>>>> 'good'? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Even programs that reigned the world for 10 years (genius) completely >>>>>>>>get butchered with x-0 scores nowadays. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Genius is not losing x-0 unless x is very small. >>>>>>>It is clearly weaker than the top programs of today but not so weak. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Uri >>>>>> >>>>>>against movei perhaps. Against DIEP it's 100% simply. 20Mhz preprocessor >>>>>>dedicated genius getting 7 ply with 1000 move book >>>>>>against 1 million move diep book getting 10-14 ply. >>>>> >>>>>I thought about genius on the hardware of today otherwise it is not fair to say >>>>>"Even programs that reigned the world for 10 years (genius) completely >>>>>get butchered with x-0 scores nowadays." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>It is software+hardware and not only the software. >>>>> >>>>>I agree that software+hardware of 10 years ago are losing x-0 against >>>>>software+hardware of today. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't even agree with that. I played Crafty vs Cray Blitz, using 1992 >>>>hardware (a C90) and Cray Blitz won 7-3. That certainly is _one_ example >>>>where Vincent's statement is false... >>> >>> >>>Vincent was talking about genius. >>> >>>Genius with the hardware of 1992 is losing 10-0 against the top programs of >>>today with 2002's hardware. >>> >>>How many games did Cray blitz with the 1992's hardware play in computer >>>tournaments? >>> >> >>at least 15. We played in 1992, 1993 and 1994 ACM events... >> >>> >>>I know that it did not play in WCCC of 1995 when Fritz3 became the world >>>champion. >>> >>>I do not know about a single tournament that it played. >>> >> >>Now you do. I just gave you three. Last one was 1994 in Cape May New >>Jersey. Won by Deep Thought. > >I understand that it played only a single game against deep thought >and a program may lose a single game and be significantly better than the >opponent. > >I believe that it was signifcantly better than deep thought inspite of the >single loss. > >Uri I have _no_ idea what you might be basing that on. I _know_ the difference between the two programs. DT was better, by a significant margin.
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