Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 08:27:15 08/19/02
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On August 19, 2002 at 09:12:31, Chris Carson wrote: >On August 18, 2002 at 21:51:35, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 18, 2002 at 12:48:02, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>On August 18, 2002 at 10:38:19, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>>How would you figure that? Deep Thought produced a 2650 rating over 25 >>>>consecutive 40/2hr games against GM players. Anybody else done that yet? >>>>Not that I have seen. >>>> >>> >>>Deep Thought was a great piece of HW/SW for it's time. Just a few observations >>>when comparing to today's program: >>> >>>1. DT did that aginst GM's with average ELO of 2475 (not very strong for GM's). >>> >>>2. DT played against GM's that had far less experience (none) using >>>anti-computer tatics. >>> >>>3. There are a lot of tatical/strategic holes in DT games that modern >>>commercial programs do not make. >>> >>>4. Today's programs would crush DT. >>> >>>5. The GM's that DJ, DF, CT, Rebel, Hiarcs, The King have played recently would >>>crush DT. >>> >>>6. DT would have no chance in a match with a 2700 GM (today) that had 100 games >>>of preparation, Rebel played this GM even for 4 games. >>> >>>7. I am pretty sure I could crush DT today. >>> >>>Chris >> >> >>I can't prove anything about deep thought, but I'll offer you a chance to >>put up or shut up on point 7. Deep Thought easily beat Cray Blitz every time >>we played (except for the first, where we could have won had we not run into >>a serious bug). Cray Blitz waxed Crafty in a 10 game match last year. >>That means _you_ should be able to wax crafty on my quad xeon easily if you >>could crush deep thought. >> >>Let me know when you are ready to "take the test". >> >>I don't believe you can do it for a minute... >> >>But the ball is in your court to accept the challenge... > >Here are all the PGN's for DT and DB. Cherry pick any you like. I do not think >DT/DB or HSU needs the help, their accomplishments were very good, but no need >to make them out to be better than today's programs or mis-represent them, you >do more harm than help. > >Here are the ELO's against FIDE rated players for DT/DB and Commercials, the >commercials have passed DT and DB96 ELO performance, DB97 will fall when it >falls: > >PGN's: http://home.interact.se/~w100107/welcome.htm > >Ratings HvC: http://home.interact.se/~w100107/manmachine.htm > >I am done discussing this with you unless you can "show with PGN's" something >different. > >Chris I never collected DT pgns. However, I _know_ what happened to win the Fredkin prize. The opponents and results _might_ be in an older ISSUE of the JICCA. I will check when I have time... I haven't seen _any_ results where a micro produced a 2650 over 25 consecutive games. Yes, you can cherry-pick a tournament here and there. But 25 games is at least 3 events in a row....
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