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Subject: Re: Until some program knocks off Human Chess Champ - Deep Blue 2 is King!

Author: Sandi Ordinario

Date: 09:47:44 08/19/02

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On August 19, 2002 at 04:57:20, stuart taylor wrote:

>On August 19, 2002 at 03:56:27, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 19, 2002 at 02:22:29, David Dory wrote:
>>
>>>Sorry Vincent, et. al., your arguments are persuasive - but not enough.
>>>
>>>Everyone agrees that DB2 hardware is still untouchable, today. And the hardware
>>>was at least half of DB.
>>>
>>>Until and unless a program can (as did DB2), knock off the human chess champ,
>>>you're just spitting into the wind, guy.
>>>
>>>I'm very fresh out of time machines for comparisons of Lasker, McEnroe, Fischer,
>>>etc.. In my opinion, you could have saved all those key strokes. Interesting
>>>ideas? Sure, so is science fiction.
>>>
>>>Serving as a conduit to logical fact?
>>>
>>>Not hardly!
>>>
>>>NO computer program can claim to be better than DB2 (which remember is both
>>>hardware and software), until and unless it beats someone of Kasparov's caliber.
>>
>>By the same logic DB2 cannot claim to be the best combination of hardware and
>>software before winning wccc.
>>
>>Deep thought won a lot of computer tournaments but in 1995 it lost and Fritz3
>>became the world champion.
>>
>>I count only the last comp-comp tournament that deeper blue played for the same
>>reason that you count only the last match of deeper blue against kasparov.
>>
>>>
>>>No time machine, wooden rackets, analysis of Deep Thought games, etc., required.
>>>
>>>Either they whoop the human chess champion, or they should shut up about being
>>>better than DB2. Put up or shut up.
>>>
>>>Simple as that.
>>>
>>>David
>>
>>You assume that the level of the world champion is the same.
>>I assume that kasparov learned and he is today better player relative to 1997
>>and I believe that he can also beat deep blue today.
>>
>>Uri
>
>To add to that, I want to point out that the main opinion of members here has
>been that it needs a few hundred games to prove anything. So for that reson
>alone, having beat Kasparov in their 6-game match is a joke to say because of
>that that DB could even compare in any way, to Kasparov. Although, It's probably
>enough to stastically prove that Kasparov isn't more than 500 ELO points above
>that DB (of 1997).
>S.Taylor

On the otherhand there is also the "age" factor to be considered with Kasparov
and the programming advances as far as chess software is concerned. I think
winning over Junior7 or Fritz7 does not mean a thing but Kasparov winning over
Deep Blue 2 in their second (or is it third now?) may mean that Kasparov has
indeed become better much like aged wine does.

Sandi



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