Author: Mark Young
Date: 10:43:29 08/13/98
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On August 13, 1998 at 12:55:25, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On August 13, 1998 at 10:06:53, Mark Young wrote: >> Now that we all know the >>facts about the Fritz 5 and Rebel 10 match. Will you follow your own logic and >>admit Fritz 5 is a strong program. > > >No - i have no good results. My friends have no good results. We all have no >autoplayer, but we have bought fritz and bravely upgraded it. >We have 200 Mhz machines and when we play manually, fritz gets only >2nd class results. >Draws, losses. also wins. But not these good results enrique, moritz and the >ssdf-guys get. > >I see no reason to admit that fritz is the strongest program, after all the bad >results and games I have seen, just because a bunch of people seeing as deep >friends of chessBase (otherwise they would not have got the autoplayer) >get beautiful results with it. > >If the customer at home is unable to reproduce the results, they are worth >nothing. > >All other programs support auto232, because they have nothing to hide and >they allow the customer to reproduce the results. > >I will admit that fritz is the strongest program, when I have these results. >As long as my friends and I don't have these superior results, i will say the it >is good. > >it may score top results, but the games are horrible. >And in no way it gets results BETTER than other programs. > >Maybe the autoplayer can produce the results. But not my fritz here. >Here fritz plays exactly like in paris. Stupid. drawish and not succesful. > > > >>Or do you admit that your logic does not >>include Fritz 5 when the facts turn against your personal feelings, and instead >>turn in favor of Chess Base and Fritz 5. Again you made the claim. This is your >>own logic. Will you now back away from it? If you do does not this show that you >>have just been running a smear campaign because of your own personal feeling >>about chess base. Will you not respond? > > >When I get good , best results by fritz, I have no problems saying that i have >good results. I would still not like the style, but have no problems to claim >that it is the strongest program. > >I have also no problems to call nimzo98 very strong. Or Junior. I have >no problems with them because they play better chess as Fritz. > >If you think this is a campaign, I can only say: this is always said. > >But who pays this day ?! Saitek ? Hegener+Glaser because I liked MM5 ? >Marty, because I wrote a nice article about Mchess ? Don ? Because i liked >Rex-chess ? Novag, because I liked Super-Forte-C ? Ed ? Because I liked Rebel8 ? >Maybe Bob, because crafty leads my tournament ?! > >Of course they all pay me :-)) > >I am a rich man. Why do you back away from you logic. When Moritz told you Fritz 5 lost:) You did not say then the results are not good. You said this is proof that Fritz 5 is weak. Why does your logic change and standard change when the results support fritz 5. It is because you are running a smear campaign. No information has changed except about the results of the match. Now you do a fast back peddle on your own logic. What conclusion should I draw from this? Where was you concern for good results when you posted your conclusion before. Why does not your unbias logic and feeling swing both ways. Why do you put a different standard of proof for Fritz 5 then you do for other programs. Why do you say that someone like me only gets result that they want. Did Bob and I Make up the results of Crafty, Fritz 5 match? Or did I somewho force Fritz 5 to play better with just my will of mind. Why are your results so different then everone elses results. I post the games, the times, the hash table size, the computer the match was played on. I do the same for the computer I am playing when I post my results. Since you can not discredit the games posted by me and other that show you are dead wrong. You attack us. Call us bean counters. Because you can not show any facts to support any claims that chess base cheated, That SSDF cheated or that fritz 5 plays weak. On the other had I can show that you lie about the facts that you show proving that fritz 5 is weak and Chess Base cheats. I will not call you a Liar agian. But look up the word and see what it means. You will find the I used the word correctly and was accurate in my use of the word. Its too bad you don't treat others like you cry now and say want to be treated. Why does you standards change for others? If you stop the smear champaign and the out right lies I will stop calling you on them. If you wish to keep going I will. As far as I am concerned you can Attack chess base and Fritz all you want. But if its an other out right lie.....
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