Author: martin fierz
Date: 13:01:59 08/20/02
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On August 20, 2002 at 14:19:05, Dann Corbit wrote: >On August 20, 2002 at 05:08:33, martin fierz wrote: > >>On August 20, 2002 at 04:41:35, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On August 20, 2002 at 04:24:30, Mike S. wrote: >>> >>>>On August 20, 2002 at 03:41:39, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>> >>>>>Pardon my ignorance, but was Süchting a GM? >>>> >>>>I don't think so. Karlsbad 1911 was a before-FIDE event, so there was no GM >>>>title comparable to the present. But a line in the slav defence is named after >>>>him, from a Karlsbad game. >>>> >>>>But he was strong enough to compete in the strongest tournaments of that time, >>>>for example: >>>> >>>>Duesseldorf 1908 >>>> >>>> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 >>>>1 Marshall,Frank James * ½ 1 ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 1 ½ 1 1 11.5/15 >>>>2 Salwe,Georg ½ * ½ 1 ½ ½ 1 1 1 0 ½ ½ ½ 1 1 ½ 10.0/15 >>>>3 Spielmann,Rudolf 0 ½ * 0 ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ ½ 1 1 0 1 1 1 9.5/15 >>>>4 John,Walter ½ 0 1 * 0 ½ ½ 0 1 1 1 1 ½ 1 0 1 9.0/15 >>>>5 Mieses,Jacques ½ ½ ½ 1 * 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 ½ ½ 0 8.5/15 >>>>6 Brody,Miklos 0 ½ 0 ½ 0 * 1 0 1 ½ ½ 1 1 1 1 0 8.0/15 >>>>7 Suechting,Hugo ½ 0 ½ ½ 0 0 * 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 1 7.5/15 52.00 >>>>8 Johner,Paul 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 * 1 ½ ½ 1 1 ½ 1 0 7.5/15 51.25 >>>>9 Treybal,Karel ½ 0 ½ 0 1 0 ½ 0 * ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ 7.0/15 >>>>10 Jakob,A 0 1 ½ 0 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ * 0 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ 6.5/15 49.25 >>>>11 Wolf,Heinrich ½ ½ 0 0 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 * 0 ½ ½ 0 ½ 6.5/15 49.00 >>>>12 Von Bardeleben,Curt 0 ½ 0 0 0 0 ½ 0 ½ 1 1 * 1 ½ ½ 1 6.5/15 41.75 >>>>13 Przepiorka,Dawid 0 ½ 1 ½ 0 0 ½ 0 0 ½ ½ 0 * ½ 1 1 6.0/15 >>>>14 Von Gottschall,Hermann ½ 0 0 0 ½ 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ * 0 1 5.5/15 38.75 >>>>15 Swiderski,Rudolf 0 0 0 1 ½ 0 0 0 0 ½ 1 ½ 0 1 * 1 5.5/15 36.75 >>>>16 Fritz,Alexander 0 ½ 0 0 1 1 0 1 ½ ½ ½ 0 0 0 0 * 5.0/15 >>> >>>Did he ever win a major tournament or in some way distinguish himself in a way >>>similar to what a GM would have to do today to get a GM norm? SCID has a rough >>>calculation of his ELO at 2450, which would make him approximately an IM in his >>>day. >> >>how does SCID get at this elo? by retrocomputing with results of players without >>elo against players with elo? i find this quite interesting. nunn states that he >>thinks suechting was worth 2100 elo on a good day with tail wind... this just >>goes to show that such retrocomputed elo numbers are pretty much worthless! > >Nope, they have the same value as any other ELO numbers. They show how he would >fare against other players in the pool of talent available at the time. (On >average, of course). > >No connection whatsoever with some year 2002 IM's ELO of 2450, of course. of course, i agree completely with what you say. that's what i meant with meaningless - they cannot be compared with today's elo numbers. or if they are, then you are making a big mistake, as can be seen by mr. süchtings games. i wasn't very clear on that i guess :-) aloha martin
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