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Subject: Re: Is Deep Blue still considered better than Deep Junior ?

Author: Chris Carson

Date: 13:29:48 08/20/02

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On August 20, 2002 at 15:26:36, Matthew Hull wrote:

>On August 20, 2002 at 13:41:13, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>>My impression based on looking in games of the thing that the thing did tactical
>>mistakes that the commercial of today do not do so my impression is different.
>>
>>If we look at the games they lost points or half points against humans then they
>>often did mistakes that the commercial of today do not do.
>
>This may be true, but is it not also true (and perhaps to a greater degree) that
>today's program's relative short sightedness due to lower NPS (and fewer eval
>terms per eval) also means they miss more correct moves, not necessarily
>mistakes that stand out if not done, just inferior.
>
>This is a fact that most people overlook and I think what Dr. Hyatt has been
>driving at in so many words.  The compensation of these advantages outweigh the
>mistakes you are  describing.
>
>Is this not a large hole in your (and Vincent's) logic which I see repeated over
>and over again in these discussions about DT/DB/DB2 versus todays progs?
>
>Regards,

A few of obeservations about NPS.

1.  You can not compare NPS from one program to another.  Evals and Searching
are handled differently, on the same HW, you can get a very wide difference in
NPS between programs.  NPS is valid when comparing a specific program on
different HW.

2.  If you are impressed with NPS and not results, then only DB was had higher
NPS.  DJ and DF are about 2 to 3M NPS on fastest single procs and about 3 to 4M
NPS on the 8way 1Ghz box for the upcomming match.

3.  NPS may be counted differently depending on the program.

DT/DB were fast, very fast, but they needed special HW/speed to get the results,
the commercial programs get better results than DT and about the same as DB.

Chris



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