Author: Manfred Meiler
Date: 10:36:26 08/21/02
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On August 21, 2002 at 11:12:38, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 21, 2002 at 10:08:51, Manfred Meiler wrote: > >>On August 21, 2002 at 05:58:25, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 21, 2002 at 01:42:07, Mike S. wrote: >>> >>>>On August 20, 2002 at 17:25:43, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>(...) >>>>>No reason to be surprised. >>>>>This test was designed to put Fritz on top because the analysis was done by >>>>>Fritz to decide about the positions. >> >>>> >>>>What exactly do you mean? >>>> >>>>Do you really mean, "designed to put Fritz on top"? If not - and I assume (and >>>>hope) you didn't mean that - then I suggest to be a bit more careful. Now it >>>>sounds like an accusation. >> >>> >>>I mean that the testers used Fritz to analyze >>>before deciding about the positions. >>> >>>Vincent said that when he asked about a position they gave him Fritz's analysis >>>as a proof. >> >> >>Mr. Blass, >> >>how do you know so exactly in which way this test suite was designed ? > >I admit that I do not know. MM: Oh,I see ! ... >The only guess that I made is that they did their computer analysis with Fritz >before deciding about the positions. MM: And your guess is only based on the mentioned statement of Mr. Diepeveen ? Rather strange ... > >I did not mean to say that they planned to put Fritz as number 1. > > >>Where's the proof for your statement above ? >>Only the fact that Mr. Diepeveen has got Fritz's analysis as a proof from the >>test authors Michael Gurevich and Heinz-Josef Schumacher ? That would be >>ridiculous... >> >>Do you really believe that the authors Mr. Gurevich and Mr. Schumacher worked >>almost two years (altogether) in designing this large test suite only to put >>Fritz on top ? > >I did not say that this was their target. MM: I quote your statement from above: "No reason to be surprised. <b>This test was designed to put Fritz on top </b> because the analysis was done by Fritz to decide about the positions." Maybe my english is really too bad but: If words still make sense then ... in german: "Wenn Worte noch einen Sinn machen, dann ..." But please judge yourself. > >>Do you really believe that me myself would invest so much (computer) time - 112 >>(versions of) engines x 100 test positions x 20 minutes - in testing and >>documentation of my results - only to put Fritz on top ? > >I said nothing bad about you. > >> >>Why should we do that ? For money or other profits ? >>Maybe it's impossible in your eyes but - these test efforts are only a private >>hobby of "ordinary" friends of (computer) chess with interest to chess engines >>and test suites (like the earlier BS-2830, GS-2930 or BS-2001) - without >>professional claim, without any commercial interests. >> >>I have to state: It obvious makes little (or no) sense to give my EXCEL results >>of WM-Test to the public. It's not very funny to see such >>insinuations/accusations in consequence. > >I apologize if you felt bad about it. MM: Accepted. >I will try to develop my test suites ... (snip)> MM: Good luck to you for developing your test suites. And - if you will publish them - I wish to you that you will get more fair reactions to them... Manfred
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