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Subject: Re: DEEP BLUES AVERAGE PLY?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:42:49 08/21/02

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On August 21, 2002 at 14:22:40, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On August 21, 2002 at 11:10:08, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On August 21, 2002 at 09:00:19, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>>On August 21, 2002 at 08:22:06, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 21, 2002 at 08:13:47, emerson tan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>wHATA IS DEEP BLUES AVERAGE PLY LEVEL ON TOURNAMENT TIME CONTROL, I UNDERSTAND
>>>>>THAT IT CALCULATES 200 MILLION POSITIONS PER SECOND BUT NEVER HEARD OF ITS
>>>>>AVERAGE PLY. THANKS
>>>>
>>>>they estimate it at 126 million nodes a seconda gainst deep blue.
>>>>
>>>>It had a nominal search depth (depth limit) of 12 ply. With a lot of
>>>>tactical extensions a lot of lines were searched at 17 ply though.
>>>>
>>>>that's however true for all chess programs. I averaged in DIEP way
>>>>deeper. It depends basically whether you count hashtable cutoffs with
>>>>the depth or not. I tend to not count them. In hardware there was not
>>>>a hashtable.
>>>>
>>>>Average search depth says nothing. The nominal search depth is more important.
>>>>This was 12 ply. So the weakest link were lines of 12 ply simply.
>>>>
>>>>Best regards,
>>>>Vincent
>>>
>>>
>>>Deep Blue II did searches with extensions of 17 ply + at 3 min. per move and
>>>wasn't uncommon to actually hit 22 plys.
>>>
>>>Dr. Robert Hyatt watched this with his own eyes, so I'm sure he'll have
>>>something relevant to say on this matter.
>>
>>No I won't.  :)  This is a hopeless argument.  Vincent calls the entire group
>>"liars" when they say 12(6) means 12 plies in software plus another 6 in
>>hardware.  Since the machine is not operational, all we can do is either believe
>>the principals or not...  I believe them myself, but others can believe whatever
>>they want...  it won't make one scintilla of difference to the deep blue story
>>of course.
>
>you are the only one Bob, because you still didn't take the effort to
>read what Hsu wrote.

I _posted_ what he and two other members of the team wrote.

You simply have problems with comprehension and try to bend things into
your own reality/interpretation...


>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Also Deep Blue II at times searched 1,000,000,000 plys a sec. and wasn't all
>>>that uncommon to do so!
>>>
>>>Terry



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